# Texas again proves it is the asshole of the US **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 30, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239 "2017-06-30T22:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/241 "2017-07-14T22:41:47Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Since you have no clue whatsoever about what I teach or don’t teach, I will ask for a cite that my school is a McDojang. This should prove really interesting. I’ve seen pictures. It’s a McDojang. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/242 "2017-07-15T01:19:26Z")
(All bolding mine.) > [@Clothahump](#): > > There obviously is no direct cite for the highlighted statement above. There was, however, **a very clear statement from me that I didn’t care where he got the insurance.** Now, to a rational person (like me), that statement covers a whole bunch of things: > > 1. He could get it from his employer. > 2. He could get it from his spouse’s employer > 3. He could get it from Joe’s Pizza and Insurance down the street. > 4. Probably some other sources that I didn’t think of. > > And it is meaningless to me where he gets the insurance. And given that,\*\* a rational person would thereby conclude that I quite OBVIOUSLY have no problem with him getting it from his spouse’s employer\*\*, as that was one of the options. However, that conclusion was not reached by numerous people, from which I conclude that they aren’t all that rational. > > \*\*And not one bit of this entire trainwreck had a durn thing to do with \*\ ***my original post** , which simply pointed out that the OP was completely wrong in his post where he assumed (hell, **he jumped a mile to that conclusion** ) that Texas was denying benefits to same-sex marriages. I know I’ve been shut out of this wretch’s ever-shrinking bubble, but what the heck. [ol] [li]The OP never asked Clothahump \*where \*he thought he should get his insurance.[/li][li] **Clothahump** was asked [multiple](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20318542&postcount=48) [times](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=829984&page=2)[to clarify](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20326261&postcount=112) [whether or not](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20332533&postcount=123) [he believed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20332690&postcount=127) [the OP should have](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20334185&postcount=134) [the same spousal insurance rights](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20334791&postcount=140) as someone in an opposite-sex marriage. He never once offered to clarify his position, preferring to take the “I don’t give a damn” route, until _other_ posters said “OK, we’ll just [assume](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20335464&postcount=143) [you’re in favour](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20335594&postcount=144) [of equal rights](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20336234&postcount=148)”. [/li][li]Despite Clothy’s assertion to the contrary, this question of equal rights is directly relevant to the law suit that led to the Supreme Court’s instructions. [/li][li]The OP, **fervour** , only “jumped a mile” to his conclusion because that was the exact message of the news article in the Washington Post.[/li][li]There are in fact at least some few folks in Texas who want to deny benefits to same-sex couples, which is why this case is still ongoing. [/li][li]Clothahump’s [ORIGINAL post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20317348&postcount=22)in this thread was to make yet another trite partisan snipe, with an unsubstantiated claim about liberals fleeing economic hardships in California. Which he was promptly [called out on](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20317388&postcount=27), but has never even acknowledged that challenge.[/li][/ol] But this, of course, is all perfectly clear to anyone who has read the thread and understands what words mean. Reading Clothahump’s interpretation of any exchange he’s had on this board is like listening to Trump deny something he said a few seconds ago, on camera, as if replay buttons don’t exist. I will say that one thing Clothahump and I share is a tendency to make typos when posting, as evidenced below. > [@Clothahump](#): > > . . . I’ll take one more _ **shot** _ at this. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/243 "2017-07-15T04:34:13Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > (All bolding mine.) > > I know I’ve been shut out of this wretch’s ever-shrinking bubble, but what the heck. > [ol] > [li]The OP never asked Clothahump \*where \*he thought he should get his insurance.[/li][li] **Clothahump** was asked [multiple](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20318542&postcount=48) [times](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=829984&page=2)[to clarify](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20326261&postcount=112) [whether or not](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20332533&postcount=123) [he believed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20332690&postcount=127) [the OP should have](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20334185&postcount=134) [the same spousal insurance rights](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20334791&postcount=140) as someone in an opposite-sex marriage. He never once offered to clarify his position, preferring to take the “I don’t give a damn” route, until _other_ posters said “OK, we’ll just [assume](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20335464&postcount=143) [you’re in favour](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20335594&postcount=144) [of equal rights](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20336234&postcount=148)”. [/li][li]Despite Clothy’s assertion to the contrary, this question of equal rights is directly relevant to the law suit that led to the Supreme Court’s instructions. [/li][li]The OP, **fervour** , only “jumped a mile” to his conclusion because that was the exact message of the news article in the Washington Post.[/li][li]There are in fact at least some few folks in Texas who want to deny benefits to same-sex couples, which is why this case is still ongoing. [/li][li]Clothahump’s [ORIGINAL post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20317348&postcount=22)in this thread was to make yet another trite partisan snipe, with an unsubstantiated claim about liberals fleeing economic hardships in California. Which he was promptly [called out on](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20317388&postcount=27), but has never even acknowledged that challenge.[/li][/ol] > But this, of course, is all perfectly clear to anyone who has read the thread and understands what words mean. > Reading Clothahump’s interpretation of any exchange he’s had on this board is like listening to Trump deny something he said a few seconds ago, on camera, as if replay buttons don’t exist. > > I will say that one thing Clothahump and I share is a tendency to make typos when posting, as evidenced below. Well done, **Not Carlson**. Thank you for saving me the trouble, as I really didn’t have the energy to comb through the thread to construct such an edfice. I was resigned to giving it up as a bad job, but, in gratitude for your hard work, and in recognition of the fact that you’ve been placed on the bubble, I’m quoting it here. I’m content to leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/244 "2017-07-15T13:45:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Well done, **Not Carlson**. Thank you for saving me the trouble, as I really didn’t have the energy to comb through the thread to construct such an edfice. > > I was resigned to giving it up as a bad job, but, in gratitude for your hard work, and in recognition of the fact that you’ve been placed on the bubble, I’m quoting it here. > > I’m content to leave it at that. Except, of course, that NC was totally wrong in his assumption. But hey, why let facts and reality get in the way of a rant, right? I’m tired of this. To paraphrase the Hon. David Crockett: > [@](#): > > You may all go to hell and I will [continue to live happily in] Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/245 "2017-07-15T15:29:53Z")
♫ . . . killed him a bear when he was only three. ♫ ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/246 "2017-07-15T15:32:37Z")
You’d have done better to qote what David Crockett said at The Alamo: > [@](#): > > I surrender! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/247 "2017-07-15T15:48:34Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Except, of course, that NC was totally wrong in his assumption. **But hey, why let facts and reality get in the way of a rant, right?** > > I’m tired of this. To paraphrase the Hon. David Crockett: You have that hung on the wall in your kitchen? By the way, I’ve seen your McDojang’s website. Much talk of the warrior life and having values and honor. None of which you display. Plus how you play on stranger danger and bullying to attract students. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/248 "2017-07-15T18:24:09Z")
> [@](#): > > You may all go to hell and I will [continue to live happily in] Texas. Balderdash, sir! Tommyrot! “You may all go to Hell, and I will go to Texas.” Is the actual quote. > [@](#): > > …he finally left his home near Rutherford in West Tennessee on Nov. 1, 1835, with three other men to explore Texas…Crockett arrived in Nacogdoches, Texas, in early January 1836…Crockett arrived at the Alamo on February 8… he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836… _Wiki_ ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/249 "2017-07-15T18:33:32Z")
[Here’s an interesting and recent article](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/10/americas-future-is-texas)about how the state’s political system shifted so far left. Even as a right-leaning moderate, it’s pretty infuriating. Essentially they gamed the system such that the GOP gained and maintains control even though a much smaller percentage of the populace is actually Republican. On top of that, the nutbag, Evangelical crazy wing (think Ted Cruz, Dan Patrick, Freedom Caucus) is causing intra-party acrimony and being pains in the ass for the more moderate, old-school Republicans (the Joe Straus faction) who are much more moderate and reasonable. Kind of like what’s happened at the national level, only at the state level a bit earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/250 "2017-07-15T22:33:35Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > You’d have done better to qote what David Crockett said at The Alamo: **Scumpup** , try learning some real history instead of revisionist bullshit or what a movie showed. Crockett was killed in combat. Two seperate survivors reported seeing him and his men dead and surrounded by Mexican bodies" [QUOTE=The Diary of William Fairfax Gray, recounting the eyewitness testimony of Travis’s servant Joe] Crockett and a few of his friends were found together, with twenty-four of the enemy dead around them. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Susanna Dickinson] “I recognized Col. Crockett lying dead and mutilated between the church and the two story barrack building, and even remember seeing his peculiar cap lying by his side.” [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/251 "2017-07-15T22:34:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Balderdash, sir! Tommyrot! > > “You may all go to Hell, and I will go to Texas.” > > Is the actual quote. > _Wiki_ Sigh. What part of “paraphrasing” did you not understand? ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/252 "2017-07-16T00:23:15Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > (All bolding mine.) > > I know I’ve been shut out of this wretch’s ever-shrinking bubble, but what the heck. > > [li]Clothahump’s [ORIGINAL post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20317348&postcount=22)in this thread was to make yet another trite partisan snipe, with an unsubstantiated claim about liberals fleeing economic hardships in California. Which he was promptly [called out on](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20317388&postcount=27), but has never even acknowledged that challenge.[/li]… What the hell. I’ll wander into this mess again to note that Texas has a net influx of residents from California according to this March 2017 [Sacramento Bee article](http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article136478098.html). And apparently the net flow is lower income workers leaving California and higher income individuals moving to California. IMHO that sounds like economic reasons. Feel free to argue about the causes of those economic issues. > [@](#): > > The leading destination for those leaving California is Texas, with about 293,000 economically disadvantaged residents leaving and about 137,000 coming for a net loss of 156,000 from 2005 through 2015. > … > Losing impoverished residents to other states is better for the state’s economy than losing wealthy residents, some experts said. But they said the migration itself is a symptom of deeper social problems largely related to how expensive California has become. > > “Why are people leaving? Economic reasons, the high cost of living, are certainly a part of it,” said Hans Johnson, senior fellow at the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California. “For those people (near the poverty line), California is not viable.” > > By some measures, California has the highest poverty rate in the nation. Not up for debate is that California has had a [Democratic majority in both houses since 1970](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Legislature), though the governorship has shifted between parties. Clothahump claimed: > [@](#): > > …we’ve been infested by liberals fleeing California and Yankeeland due to economic issues caused by failed liberal policies. … So it might not be a wild inference that with a legislature firmly in one party control for 47 years that the spending priorities and economic policy of that party effectively set the economic policies of that state, for good or bad. And economic policies in California have led to a sizable $400 billion (as of 2015) state debt, enough to [worry analysts](http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-400-billion-debt-worries-analysts-6812264.php). Housing costs are a worry with California being home to some of the [highest housing costs](http://www.lao.ca.gov/reports/2015/finance/housing-costs/housing-costs.aspx) in the nation. Near the top of the nation’s [longest average commute times](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/10/19/cheat-sheet-states-longest-commutes/17428945/), that would be California. So no surprise that California has the [third highest cost of living](http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/americas-10-most-expensive-states-to-live-in-2017.html) of all the states. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/253 "2017-07-16T00:46:02Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > What the hell. I’ll wander into this mess again to note that Texas has a net influx of residents from California according to this March 2017 [Sacramento Bee article](http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article136478098.html). And apparently the net flow is lower income workers leaving California and higher income individuals moving to California. IMHO that sounds like economic reasons. Feel free to argue about the causes of those economic issues. > > Not up for debate is that California has had a [Democratic majority in both houses since 1970](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Legislature), though the governorship has shifted between parties. > > Clothahump claimed: > So it might not be a wild inference that with a legislature firmly in one party control for 47 years that the spending priorities and economic policy of that party effectively set the economic policies of that state, for good or bad. > > **And economic policies in California have led to a sizable $400 billion (as of 2015) state debt**, enough to [worry analysts](http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-400-billion-debt-worries-analysts-6812264.php). Housing costs are a worry with California being home to some of the [highest housing costs](http://www.lao.ca.gov/reports/2015/finance/housing-costs/housing-costs.aspx) in the nation. Near the top of the nation’s [longest average commute times](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/10/19/cheat-sheet-states-longest-commutes/17428945/), that would be California. So no surprise that California has the [third highest cost of living](http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/americas-10-most-expensive-states-to-live-in-2017.html) of all the states. [From here.](http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/compare_state_debt) California debt 388.8 billion Texas debt 369.2 billion Pop is 39.5/Cal vs. 28.3 Tex. Debt per capita is 9843/Cal vs. 13045/Tex ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/254 "2017-07-16T00:56:37Z")
[Commute times](https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/average-commute-time) California 27.2 Texas 25 minutes ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/255 "2017-07-16T01:03:51Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > What the hell. I’ll wander into this mess again to note that Texas has a net influx of residents from California according to this March 2017 [Sacramento Bee article](http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article136478098.html). And apparently the net flow is lower income workers leaving California and higher income individuals moving to California. IMHO that sounds like economic reasons. Feel free to argue about the causes of those economic issues. . . . **Iggy** , I think you’ve provided a good contribution to a side discussion of this thread (started, and immediately abandoned by **Clothahump** ) regarding the shift in the political leaning of Texas. You’ve provided several sources, a relevant quotation from one, a summary of others, and an interpretation of their meaning. You have presented a convincing argument and shown a willingness to debate with honest intent. In other words, all the things that \*\*Clothahump \*\*has refused to do. Now he can come back after 5 pages of ignoring challenges to his purely partisan snipe and simply quote your post to say “See!? You’re all liars!” ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/256 "2017-07-16T01:10:15Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > In other words, all the things that \*\*Clothahump \*\*has refused to do. In fairness to **Clothahump** , it’s not that he refuses, it’s that he’s incapable. Sadly, I must inform you that our little \*\*Clothahump \*\*is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/257 "2017-07-16T01:18:42Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > What the hell. I’ll wander into this mess again to note that Texas has a net influx of residents from California according to this March 2017 [Sacramento Bee article](http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article136478098.html). And apparently the net flow is lower income workers leaving California and higher income individuals moving to California. IMHO that sounds like economic reasons. Feel free to argue about the causes of those economic issues. Why is this a failing of political parties? California has always been a desirable place to move to. That in itself will always result in higher housing costs. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/258 "2017-07-16T06:02:56Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Why is this a failing of political parties? California has always been a desirable place to move to. > That in itself will always result in higher housing costs. California has had a notable housing shortage in certain areas. The Law of Supply and Demand would anticipate that this would result in construction of more housing units and/or conversion of existing housing stock to multi-family units resulting in a reduction of housing costs from their peak. Alas lawmakers have been reluctant to revisit various regulatory issues. The result is limited development and increased housing costs. This [LA Times article](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-california-high-housing-prices-20160414-story.html) gives a review. As it stands the average home in California is more than twice the cost of the average home nationwide. Rents are 50% higher, on average. This has put particular stress on lower income individuals who find themselves spending in excess of the recommended 33% of gross income on housing costs. That is a difficult target to meet with 1.7 million Californian households spending more than 50% of their gross income on housing. Unfortunately bills to make it easier to increase the housing stock have proved tough to push through the legislature. Efforts to ease permitting to add additional housing units end up opposed. Environmental legislation has increased the permitting costs. And reforms have sometimes gone the wrong direction with the Democratic controlled legislature removing a [major funding source for redeveloping neighborhoods](http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/news/what-redevelopments-death-means-for-san-diego/) in 2011. There has been some progress, but far more is needed. A Dec 2016 reform has made it easier to construct so called mother-in-law units. But in the last five years the Bay Area has added more than a million jobs. That is a lot more people. And only 51,000 building permits were taken out in the area during that time. Better hope a lot of those are apartment buildings since mother-in-law units aren’t going to be enough. See also [California needs to build a staggering number of homes and we are way behind](http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/business/20170104/california-needs-to-build-a-staggering-number-of-homes-and-we-are-way-behind) from the Pasadena Star Times. > [@](#): > > Developers are building an average of 80,000 new California homes a year, but that falls well below the 180,000 that are needed, according to the California Department of Housing and Community Development. > > The department’s “California Housing Future: Challenges and Opportunities” report shows new home construction is being constrained by a variety of factors, including regulatory barriers, high permitting costs and diminishing public resources. Surely there are things a legislature cannot remedy. Homebuilders cite a lack of available land in areas where people want to live. But time consuming regulation is a significant issue. > [@](#): > > “The approval process can take years to get through, so a real estate cycle could have come and gone by the time you get your master plan approved,” Holmanote] said. Note it is not the existence of regulation per se that is cited as the problem. It is the lack of streamlining so that necessary permit can be obtained in a reasonable period of time. And that needs a legislative fix. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/259 "2017-07-16T06:47:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > …To paraphrase the Hon. David Crockett: > > > [@](#): > > > > You may all go to hell and I will [continue to live happily in] Texas. > [@elucidator](#): > > Balderdash, sir! Tommyrot! > > “You may all go to Hell, and I will go to Texas.” > > Is the actual quote. I’ve always suspected what Davy said was more like, “ **Ya’ll** may go to Hell, and I will go to Texas.” History probably cleaned up his grammar. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239/260 "2017-07-16T11:56:04Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Sadly, I must inform you that our little \*\*Clothahump \*\*is an idiot. Patently false. It’s endlessly hilarious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-again-proves-it-is-the-asshole-of-the-us/790239.md?page=14)