# Texas Cop Tasers Granny **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 11, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417 "2009-06-11T04:23:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/361 "2009-06-15T17:37:52Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Again, equating tazers with capital punishment electrocutions is embarrassing. But, but, but… she’s 72 years old! I mean, she’s _old_. Forget that she could have just complied after breaking the law, she’s OLD. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/362 "2009-06-15T17:42:10Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > . . . :rolleyes: . . . > > I’m dismissing the theories that cigarettes and AIDS kill as unproven. > > If you continue to ignore everything that doesn’t support your pre-conceived conclusion and can’t bring yourself to admit that IPICD seems less than impartial, then there’s no point continuing. Well, I’m glad, I guess, you’re finally coming around. I saw the pointlessness of this exercise a while back when you indicated your ignorance with regard to electricity and chose to dismiss the data I provided to explain it. If IPICD is not impartial, would you care to back that opinion up with some evidence of its partiality? Could you inform me that their mission is something else than what they are claiming it to be? What is that actual mission, exactly? The fact that a former police administrator founded the organization indicates the guy’s got a lot more experience with in-custody deaths and the reasons behind them than most of us do. I realize it must be hard for you to accept that anyone carrying a badge or even tangentially related to law enforcement wants to prevent in-custody deaths because they are such a bloodthirsty bunch. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/363 "2009-06-15T17:44:19Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > I have already noted more than once that any taser use for the purpose of torturing an already restrained individual is absolutely wrong. Police abuse of any kind (and yes, I believe as with any law enforcement tool, tasers can be used to abuse) should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. > > I haven’t seen any, but can you link to a video in which the taser is not used to force compliance of lawful orders? Like, oh I don’t know, a cop walking up to someone and tasering them out of the blue. This is just, “if the president does it, it’s not against the law.” > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > But, but, but… she’s 72 years old! I mean, she’s _old_. Forget that she could have just complied after breaking the law, she’s OLD. I don’t know who you’re addressing but I never made that argument. I don’t give a shit if she was 20. The cop repeatedly escalated the situation when he didn’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/364 "2009-06-15T17:49:52Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > Well, I’m glad, I guess, you’re finally coming around. I saw the pointlessness of this exercise a while back when you indicated your ignorance with regard to electricity and chose to dismiss the data I provided to explain it. > > If IPICD is not impartial, would you care to back that opinion up with some evidence of its partiality? Could you inform me that their mission is something else than what they are claiming it to be? What is that actual mission, exactly? The fact that a former police administrator founded the organization indicates the guy’s got a lot more experience with in-custody deaths and the reasons behind them than most of us do. I realize it must be hard for you to accept that anyone carrying a badge or even tangentially related to law enforcement wants to prevent in-custody deaths because they are such a bloodthirsty bunch. :rolleyes: Right. More strawmen. 'Cause I said police were a bloodthirsty bunch. My friends and family on the force will be very disappointed to hear that :rolleyes:. (By the way I can’t wait to ask my AZDPS Officer friend what he thinks of this next time we go mountain biking together.) How 'bout IPICD’s unabashed stance on the controversial ‘Excited Delirium’ as evidence of their partiality? ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/365 "2009-06-15T17:52:38Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > This is just, “if the president does it, it’s not against the law.” So, your issue is with authority then? I’m not even sure where you’re going with this statement. It’s the primary job of the police to enforce the law that’s why we refer to them as law enforcement. Are you saying that this cop and any other utilize tasers are breaking the law? Are you saying there are no lawful orders? What? What’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/366 "2009-06-15T17:55:03Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Right. More strawmen. 'Cause I said police were a bloodthirsty bunch. My friends and family on the force will be very disappointed to hear that :rolleyes:. Yes, well you mentioned that the fact he was a former cop made him biased. I just threw a little hyperbole back at you. Sue me. > [@](#): > > How 'bout IPICD’s unabashed stance on the controversial ‘Excited Delirium’ as evidence of their partiality? Link? Come on, quit making me do all the work. Back up your shit fercrissakes. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/367 "2009-06-15T18:01:38Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > So, your issue is with authority then? No, I don’t have a problem with authority, but I have a problem with the blind, unwavering support for authority when they are obviously wrong. Sure, what he did was legal. It was also very, very wrong. You can’t tell me you think that situation played out as best as it possibly could have. Anyone with half the people skills that should be required to carry a gun, a taser, and a badge should’ve been able to talk her down and get the signature without ever raising their voice or asking her to step out of the car. > [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > Link? Come on, quit making me do all the work. Back up your shit fercrissakes. [http://www.ipicd.com/aboutipicd/history.html](http://www.ipicd.com/aboutipicd/history.html) \*\*\*Excited Delirium - Is Not a New Phenomenon! - Dr. Luther Bell published in the American Journal of Insanity in 1849 ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/368 "2009-06-15T18:05:21Z")
Just in case my first post went unnoticed, I’ll ask again. To those who think the officer did the right thing, would you support him if he had hit her with a billy club instead of tasing her? And I’m not talking about blocking her movement with a club, but actually wacking her to make her submit. Is there a substantive difference between these actions that make one justifiable while the other not? ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/369 "2009-06-15T18:06:25Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > It seems to me he did recognize that and moved on to something else. “Step back or you will be tasered” x 5. That didn’t work, either. But I’ll bet she’ll remember the juice the next time she gets pulled over for speeding. I’d put money on the fact that she signs that next ticket post haste. Which was just an extension of his earlier aggressive stance and tone and furtherance of it. Moving on from plain yelling to yelling physical threats is not a diffusion tactic. > [@](#): > > Ah, but you can. In-custody deaths from many of the contributing factors listed above were occurring long before tasers were put into use by the police. And each situation is different. Your death will not be my death, even if we die side by side. > [@](#): > > Excited Delirium Syndrome was recognized in 1985. By whom? Name one independent professional medical, pathological, psychiatric or psychological professional organization who recognizes this “syndrome” and validates its _existence_, let alone its role in the deaths in question. > [@](#): > > No, it is the same. It is an electrical shock delivered at low current than is fatal. Cite. > [@](#): > > I agree. But considering the lack of serious injury generally produced by tasers, I can’t see how it can be considered disproportionate. Would it have been disproportionate if he had physically restrained her in order to implement the arrest? What if that resulted in breaking her wrist or arm? As far as I know, granny walked away from that event with no lasting physical harm, other than small puncture wounds and perhaps some minor bruising. I admit I am assuming this, of course, given lack of a report of emergency medicine being administered. You can what if all day. What if granny had whacked her head on the patrol car bumper as she fell and died from a subdural hematoma the next afternoon? What if granny broke a hip as she fell from being Tasered? What if, recognizing that he was actually serious once he put his hand firmly on her upper arm and turned her around and moved her toward the hood of the car, granny recognized that she couldn’t possibly fight a man 50+ pounds, 6+ inches and 40- years on her and let him cuff her with nothing more than additional running at the mouth? We’ll never know. It doesn’t really matter. > [@](#): > > Yes, let’s add more serious injuries, with perhaps lasting consequences, and further tax emergency medicine. You don’t really believe that’s even a fair comparison and you know damn well I’ve not suggested anything like that. But so long as you can inject hyperbole into the discussion, you’ve got to rely on any argument, however lame, that you can, right? You said any means. Guns are a means. You were the one who said that cops were justified using physical means against people who were not physically combative. I just wanted to know where you draw the line. Apparently it’s not painful electrical shocks, but it is bullets. That’s good to know. At least you do recognize that some things are disproportionate uses of force. Sadly your line is drawn far too far on the cops’ side. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/370 "2009-06-15T18:10:11Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > So, your issue is with authority then? I think it is - not just him, but Americans in general. It is really difficult for a lot of us to wrap our heads around the notion that there is sometimes someone in authority over us, and _we have to do what that authority says_. You don’t get to say No, you don’t get to stall, you don’t get to walk away. You have to do as you are told. And it is perfectly fine with the rest of us if, in the course of having this explained in the only way some people will listen, you incur a certain amount of pain and even some personal risk. Because the rest of us don’t not want to live in a society where, if you are a big enough asshole, you get a pass on obeying the law, even in a small way. It’s quite clear that she didn’t want to sign the ticket. The bottom line is, fuck what she wanted. She has to sign the fucking ticket. If she won’t, then she will be arrested, as she should be. Because everybody knows that, once the message goes out that you can get away with breaking the law if you just act like a big enough asshole, then every single traffic stop is going to escalate into a screaming match. Yes, I realize I am arguing with someone who has announced that he will not change his mind even if facts are presented to disprove his position. So it goes. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/371 "2009-06-15T18:12:23Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Just in case my first post went unnoticed, I’ll ask again. > > To those who think the officer did the right thing, would you support him if he had hit her with a billy club instead of tasing her? > > And I’m not talking about blocking her movement with a club, but actually wacking her to make her submit. Is there a substantive difference between these actions that make one justifiable while the other not? I have no problem with that, especially if he warned her as many times as he did on the video. Double points for her daring him to like she did with the juice. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/372 "2009-06-15T18:18:28Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > But, but, but… she’s 72 years old! I mean, she’s _old_. Forget that she could have just complied after breaking the law, she’s OLD. If only she had been a poor old conductor… ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/373 "2009-06-15T18:20:42Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Yes, I realize I am arguing with someone who has announced that he will not change his mind even if facts are presented to disprove his position. So it goes. “Factually prove” that I don’t believe what I believe and I’ll change my mind :rolleyes:. You don’t get it. IIRC you’re a conservative, right? What if I could “factually prove” that high taxes are good? Would you change your mind about high taxes? Of course not! Because you don’t believe in them. I don’t believe a taser was in any way necessary in this situation. No fact is going to change that, short of - like I said - proving granny had a knife drawn. IIRC you’re also a Christian if I remember correctly from another thread, no? Should we go into the facts of the bible? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/374 "2009-06-15T18:34:56Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > I mean, you realize that electricity has been used for over a century as a method of _execution_, right? Arguing that tasers aren’t what’s killing these people seems naive at best, and extremely disingenuous at worst. You do not come off as naive. You DO realize that electricity is also used as a method of saving lives? :rolleyes: > [@tumbleddown](#): > > And once again, I reiterate that I don’t care if the deaths can be _directly_ attributed to the Taser. If the Taser contributed to the deaths, then it’s a problem. You’re relatively new here, so I’ll cut you some slack, but by now you should know that if you’re going to make a claim, you’re expected to back it up, not reply, “I don’t CARE!”, and then claim it doesn’t matter if you meant directly or indirectly. > [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Just in case my first post went unnoticed, I’ll ask again. > > To those who think the officer did the right thing, would you support him if he had hit her with a billy club instead of tasing her? > > And I’m not talking about blocking her movement with a club, but actually wacking her to make her submit. Is there a substantive difference between these actions that make one justifiable while the other not? I was going to answer, then I noticed you mentioned you hadn’t watched the video. Perhaps you should watch and then get back to us. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/375 "2009-06-15T18:42:11Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > No, we can judge each case as it occurs. And in _this_ case, the cop did nothing to diffuse the situation. His continued screaming and yelling and shoving of the woman only made her less willing to comply with his orders. Yet, when faced with a decided lack of success, he didn’t ever try another tactic, he just got more and more aggressive with her. > > I don’t deny that she was wrong. I don’t deny that she was being belligerent and obnoxious and should’ve signed her ticket and gone on her way. I do, however, fault this officer for handling the situation poorly and never having the presence of mind or ability to try something different to try to affect a different outcome. The answer to dealing with an angry person is not to make them more and more angry. When he saw that that was what he was doing, he should have tried something different. I get your point and agree in a very limited sense. I expect grown people in this country to have the common sense to know that being pissy with a police officer is a really bad idea. The officer could have done it better {perhaps} but cops are allowed to be people and have moods and personalities that vary from officer to officer. He preformed his duty correctly according to the guidelines of his training. Not ideally, but reasonably. There isn’t a lot of time between when she refuses to sign the ticket and when she cusses and resists arrest. There’s no reason to place the responsibility on the officer to spend time trying other tactics. The final outcome was the correct one according to her choices. Is it unfortunate? Sure? The officer probably wishes he hadn’t tasered an old woman but it was her resisting arrest that got him there. He tells her repeatedly to put her hands behind her back and she refuses and struggles rather than comply. As far as responsibility goes it’s at least 95% her. > [@](#): > > What happened after the fact is immaterial to the conduct of the officer during the stop. Not completely. It reveals the person the officer was dealing with. I’m thinking he was professional and courteous from the get go and she made it worse by being argumentative and belligerent. > [@](#): > > He was right on the law, he was, clearly, not right in his approach to handling someone who was reacting in the way that this woman was acting. We know this because he had to draw his weapon. Having to draw a weapon at a traffic stop is a pretty clear sign that something was done wrongly. Wow!! According to who? He reacted as a reasonable trained professional might be expected to act given the latitude of being a human being. She did not act as a grown up person might be expected to act when stopped for speeding. He only reacted to her escalating the situation. > [@](#): > > My expectation of this officer is that he pay attention to the reactions to his actions, and behave accordingly so that no one, neither himself nor any civilian, suspect or otherwise, is injured or put at risk of injury. That is pretty much a basic requirement of his position. Again, according to whom? I’m no expert but I imagine officers are taught certain procedures in dealing with uncooperative suspects. You make it clear what you expect and what the consequences will be if they do not comply. You protect yourself first. Officers can never be positive what kind of nut they might run into or what that nut might do. You are not required to coax and plead or spend extra time reasoning with them. He’s a cop not a psychiatrist. > [@](#): > > If he cannot deal with the stressor of an old lady bitching out at a traffic stop, what does this guy do with a tweaker? Or someone with a weapon? Or someone who actually confronts him physically rather than just swearing at him while standing still? He clearly can deal with it and did. If someone had a weapon or attacked him physically I imagine he’d draw a more serious weapon than the taser. > [@](#): > > It can be effective and it can backfire. When it backfires, the person who has authority needs to recognize that and try something else. They are under no requirement or even moral obligation to do so. You’re claiming officers should be trained to behave ideally. That’s totally unrealistic. > [@](#): > > And much more important, the person with authority and a variety of weapons and the power to arrest at their disposal really ought not be losing patience as quickly as this. If patience is being lost, it shouldn’t happen within the timespan of a YouTube video. This is, or should be, another temperamental requirement for a police officer. Same comment. Completely unrealistic. > [@](#): > > Again, no one suggested that he was not right about the law nor his justification for requiring her signature and telling her arrest was the penalty for refusing to sign. Where he was not right, by the evidence, is in how he went about attempting to communicate his “rightness” to this woman. There are parameters in dealing with this type of situation rather than just right and wrong. If he was within the standards of professional behavior he was right even if he wasn’t ideal. I’ve seen the video of the officer who very calmly talks to the wildly belligerent speeder. I admire his restraint. I don’t expect that from every officer or even that officer in every situation. It’s an unrealistic expectation. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/376 "2009-06-15T18:45:23Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > You don’t get it. That’s your problem - I do get it. As you say, your arguments are faith-based, not factually-based. That’s fine - all of us do that to a certain extent, and on certain topics, and not all of us are as honest as you are in admitting it. But I approach this more or less in the spirit that I approach arguments about creationism or anti-vaccination. I don’t expect to convince people who write OPs on those subjects, either. I argue mostly to convince those on the sidelines. And for my own amusement, of which you have provided a reasonable amount. Thanks! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/377 "2009-06-15T18:48:09Z")
In the video everyone has watched, the policeman’s superior defends Bieze. I was going to ask if anyone here would change their tune if an even more senior officer denounced Bieze’s actions. I was just going to ask it as a hypothetical, but since it actually happened, now I ask it as a real life question. [The Sheriff of the county in which this took place:](http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2009m6d10-Sheriff-denounces-Tasering-of-woman-in-traffic-incident) > [@](#): > > As Sheriff of Travis County, I want to make two things perfectly clear. First, the deputy constable does not work for my agency. The Constables Office is a separate office with the Constable elected to office by an individual precinct. Second, **I do not personally agree with the actions of the deputy constable as they are shown in the video. When I look at the video I am in awe of what happened.** So, this change any opinions? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/378 "2009-06-15T18:49:28Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That’s your problem - I do get it. No, your comments have made it abudantly clear that you _don’t_ get it. You can no more “prove” to me that this was right than I can “prove” to someone that Coke is better than Pepsi. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/379 "2009-06-15T18:50:23Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > I have no problem with that, especially if he warned her as many times as he did on the video. But doesn’t it matter that all of this is over a _speeding ticket_? We’re not talking about a liquor store robbery or an assault, but something so minor that a majority of people get away with it on a daily basis. Billy clubs can break bones. Is a speeding violation worth that? What is the potential harm associated with letting her go and then putting a warrant out for her arrest? Does it come anywhere close to the harm that could have resulted from zapping her with a taser or beating her with a club? Maybe these questions are irrelevant, but I’d like to think they’d always be in the forefront of my mind if I were a cop. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417/380 "2009-06-15T18:51:54Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I was going to answer, then I noticed you mentioned you hadn’t watched the video. Perhaps you should watch and then get back to us. Don’t see why it matters whether I’ve watched it. If _you’ve_ watched it, would you support him if he’d employed a billy club rather than a taser? ETA: I’ll watch the video when I get home. Can’t do it from my computer at work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-cop-tasers-granny/499417.md?page=20)