# Texas gun group "simulates" Paris attack... result? Really hard to kill gunmen even if armed. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 15, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906 "2015-01-15T17:24:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/101 "2015-01-19T14:07:39Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > But when you look at the number of times you get guys like Zimmerman trying to play the hero there’s a very definite loss - not to mention that lots of people that carry are NOT going to be careful or rational, that carrying is going to make you a target in some instances, that a improperly handled gun is a danger to all around you - not to mention how many kids find a loaded gun with disastrous results - all of which you can’t eliminate due to human nature. When exactly did we start considering the average citizen incompetent to own or carry firearms? It wasn’t always that way; people weren’t crying for handguns to be banned decades ago- what changed? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/102 "2015-01-19T14:18:46Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > It wasn’t always that way; people weren’t crying for handguns to be banned decades ago- what changed? What are you talking about? Support for handgun bans has been [dropping for 60 years](http://www.gallup.com/poll/150341/record-low-favor-handgun-ban.aspx), with an outright ban on handguns having once enjoyed majority support. The Chicago handgun ban was enacted decades ago in the 1980s. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/103 "2015-01-19T14:28:40Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > When exactly did we start considering the average citizen incompetent to own or carry firearms? It wasn’t always that way; people weren’t crying for handguns to be banned decades ago- what changed? I’d say one factor has been the in your face paranoia of the pro-gun lobby. “Obama is coming for your guns!” does not paint the pro-gun faction as a demographic with a firm grip on reality. The NRA sounds shrill and unhinged, conjuring dire threats everyman must arm himself to confront on a daily basis. It doesn’t paint a picture many people correlate with responsible gun ownership. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/104 "2015-01-19T16:23:05Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I’d say one factor has been the in your face paranoia of the pro-gun lobby. “Obama is coming for your guns!” does not paint the pro-gun faction as a demographic with a firm grip on reality. Says the guy who calls the cops every time he sees a non-uniformed person carrying a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/105 "2015-01-19T16:41:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Says the guy who calls the cops every time he sees a non-uniformed person carrying a gun. What’s your pont? ---
**Author:** ![Obnoxious\_Hood\_Ornament](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3be4f8/32.png) [@Obnoxious\_Hood\_Ornament](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Obnoxious_Hood_Ornament)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/106 "2015-01-20T16:16:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Which is why I vote to take away your right to carry. Most of the hostages were rescued; not so much if someone with a gun tries to play hero. Amusing username/post combo there. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/107 "2015-01-20T16:26:05Z")
> [@Obnoxious\_Hood\_Ornament](#): > > Amusing username/post combo there. Yet I am unafraid to go out in public unarmed. Funny, that. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/108 "2015-01-20T16:40:22Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Yet I am unafraid to go out in public unarmed. Funny, that. So what? You say that like it is important. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/109 "2015-01-20T16:51:04Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > So what? You say that like it is important. It’s not important. But it is funny. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/110 "2015-01-20T17:14:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It’s not important. But it is funny. I like to laugh. Why is it funny? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/111 "2015-01-20T17:21:06Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I like to laugh. If you have to have humor explained to you, I’m betting it doesn’t happen very often. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/112 "2015-01-20T17:47:05Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If you have to have humor explained to you, I’m betting it doesn’t happen very often. For some reason I am now picturing \*\*Scumpup \*\*starring in a old timey WW2 movie. “Vhy ist this funny ? VHY ? Tell us ze secret of zis… “humour” of yours. Vee haff ways of making you talk, Amerikaner.” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/113 "2015-01-20T17:52:02Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > For some reason I am now picturing \*\*Scumpup \*\*starring in a old timey WW2 movie. “Vhy ist this funny ? VHY ? Tell us ze secret of zis… “humour” of yours. Vee haff ways of making you talk, Amerikaner.” Humor - it is a difficult concept. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/114 "2015-01-20T17:55:05Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If you have to have humor explained to you, I’m betting it doesn’t happen very often. Maybe the problem is that I was giving you too much credit for wit and subtlety. Yes, there is a little very mild humor in that your name is “fear itself” and that you claim to be unafraid of something. If that is all you are talking about, I guess you are just much more easily amused than I am. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/115 "2015-01-20T17:58:07Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Maybe the problem is that I was giving you too much credit for wit and subtlety. Yes, there is a little very mild humor in that your name is “fear itself” and that you claim to be unafraid of something. If that is all you are talking about, I guess you are just much more easily amused than I am. except that according to his own words, he is afraid of stuff - specifically, anyone carrying a gun. So while he is ‘un afraid’ to go outside - he is afraid of everything (potentially) while outside. I’d call it more ironic than humor. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/116 "2015-01-20T19:36:55Z")
> [@simster](#): > > except that according to his own words, he is afraid of stuff - specifically, anyone carrying a gun. And CCW holders are afraid of everyone. At any time, a bad guy with a gun might jump out at them, so they have to be ready to do battle. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/117 "2015-01-20T19:44:26Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > And CCW holders are afraid of everyone. At any time, a bad guy with a gun might jump out at them, so they have to be ready to do battle. No, that isn’t true, no matter how often you want to claim it. If all you have is repetition, then you have run out of things to say. you aren’t even repeating a thought that was original to you in the first place. Funny that. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/118 "2015-01-20T19:58:01Z")
If there is another reason for carrying a gun besides confronting a bad guy, I’d like to hear it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/119 "2015-01-20T20:14:15Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If there is another reason for carrying a gun besides confronting a bad guy, I’d like to hear it. Guns are also used for target practice, and you never know where and/or when a target will suddenly pop up. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906/120 "2015-01-20T20:14:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > And CCW holders are afraid of everyone. At any time, a bad guy with a gun might jump out at them, so they have to be ready to do battle. Not true at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-gun-group-simulates-paris-attack-result-really-hard-to-kill-gunmen-even-if-armed/709906.md?page=7)