# Texas Hold 'Em Question **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 21, 2005, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186 "2005-10-21T01:54:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/1 "2005-10-21T01:54:48Z")
Three players left in the hand. The turn card comes down and I bet $1K - Play Money. Player on my left raises to $1,665, and goes **All In**. Next player, Richard, just calls, and he has around $12K left, even after the call. Now, I’ve been raised, and even though the raiser is All In, I should think I have the option to re-raise big time to get more money out of Richard or go down in flames. After all, I have a straight to the Queen. But the [pokerstars.net](http://pokerstars.net) software gives me just two options CALL $655 or FOLD Can this be correct? ---
**Author:** ![usar\_jag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f0a364/32.png) [@usar\_jag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usar_jag)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/2 "2005-10-21T01:59:40Z")
> [@E = mc²](#): > > Can this be correct? I have never played on [pokerstars.net](http://pokerstars.net) Although it sounds like, from your description, that it’s not set up to have a side pool when the short stack goes all in. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/3 "2005-10-21T02:01:04Z")
The All In Guy’s bet didn’t count as a raise. In order for it to be a legit raise, it needs to be at least as much as the last raise. So if the BB was 100, and you raised to 1,000, the next raise needs to be 1,900 to before you can re-reraise. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/4 "2005-10-21T02:11:38Z")
In case that wasn’t clear, from [here](http://www.cardplayer.com/rules-of-poker/no-limit-pot-limit.php): > [@](#): > > 1. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. A player who has already checked or called can not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.) Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.) ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/5 "2005-10-21T02:11:43Z")
> [@usar\_jag](#): > > I have never played on [pokerstars.net](http://pokerstars.net) Although it sounds like, from your description, that it’s not set up to have a side pool when the short stack goes all in. If I understand you correctly… Yes, they have side pools at pokerstars - and will create as many as necessary when various people go All In for different amounts. I captured the screen, just when Richard has called the $1655 raise. The individual bets are in front of each player, and have not been sucked into the pot as yet. No side pools have been created as. The software is waiting for me to CALL or FOLD. In any event, I think it’s a glitch, and that I should have been permitted to re-raise. Or is there some curious rule that applies to this case which restricts me to Call or Fold? ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/6 "2005-10-21T02:17:50Z")
> [@Eleusis](#): > > In case that wasn’t clear, from [here](http://www.cardplayer.com/rules-of-poker/no-limit-pot-limit.php): I beg your pardon. (Seriously) I should havementioned right from the go that this was $5-$10 No Limit. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/7 "2005-10-21T02:19:55Z")
No problem 🙂 [Here’s an article](http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=14879&m_id=65568) on the subject: > [@](#): > > If a player makes an all-in raise that is less than the previous bet, the betting is not reopened for any player who already acted on his hand. This differs from limit-game rules, which allow a player to reopen the betting if the all-in raise is at least half of the previous bet. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/8 "2005-10-21T02:24:53Z")
> [@Eleusis](#): > > No problem 🙂 > > [Here’s an article](http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=14879&m_id=65568) on the subject: So my re-raise should have been allowed. The All In bet raised me by $655. Since richard stayed in I should have been entitled to whack it. Anyway, I’m emailing the screen capture to opkerstars, asking what’s going on. UNLESS YOU COME BACK AND TELL ME I’M DEAD WRONG. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/9 "2005-10-21T02:27:25Z")
No it shouldn’t have been allowed. You bet out $1,000 right? There was no bet ahead of you? If so, then the raise would have needed to be another $1,000 minimum before you could reraise. As it was only $655, you can’t reraise. This is the rule for No-Limit. In Limit Poker, you could have, because $655 \> 50% of $1,000. Make sense? ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/10 "2005-10-21T02:30:56Z")
> [@Eleusis](#): > > No it shouldn’t have been allowed. > > You bet out $1,000 right? There was no bet ahead of you? > > If so, then the raise would have needed to be another $1,000 minimum before you could reraise. As it was only $655, you can’t reraise. This is the rule for No-Limit. > > In Limit Poker, you could have, because $655 \> 50% of $1,000. > > Make sense? Frankly, I just don’t know. I’ll send the screen capture to pokerstars tomight and will probably get a reponse tomorrow afternoon. I’ll let you know what they say. Thanks very much for your patience.for your patience. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/11 "2005-10-21T05:26:27Z")
**Eleusis** has it right. If Richard had reraised the all in bet, then you could put in another raise. That didn’t happen. He only called the all in, and since that didn’t meet the requirements for a raise,you could only call or fold, not reraise. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/12 "2005-10-21T09:24:19Z")
Yup. Everyone was right except me. What you guys have been saying is the same thing the website told me. It’s happened to me a couple of times at PokerStars, but this was the only incident in which I had the presence of mind to capture the screen to document it. So for your trouble, you might get a laugh out of this. The other night I sat in on a game at [PokerStars.net](http://PokerStars.net), in which one player’s monicker was **Richard Gere** , another, **Chuk** (sic) **Norris** , and a third was **Big Queer** who’s picture (avatar), incidentally, was a broadly smiling **Dubya**. Captured that screen, too, and emailed it to my buddy down the street. No message, just typed in the Subject, and that was **Celebrity Poker**. Knocked him out. Thanks for your inputs. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-hold-em-question/327186/13 "2005-10-21T12:28:35Z")
Question asked. Question answered. OP happy. Thread closed. 🙂