# Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont - March 4th, 2008 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 20, 2008, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410 "2008-02-20T20:02:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/41 "2008-02-26T19:04:46Z")
If McCain can run at 71/72 years old, Hillary can run again in 2012 or even 2016, right? She doesn’t seem to take bad news very well… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/42 "2008-02-26T19:42:15Z")
[QUOTE=mlees] If McCain can run at 71/72 years old, Hillary can run again in 2012 or even 2016, right? [/QUOTE] I doubt it. Too many of the Powers That Be in the Democratic Party feel (with some justification) that she’s already passed the point where she should have bowed out to enable Obama to focus his attention on winning in November. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/43 "2008-02-26T19:45:01Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] A new Survey USA poll of Ohio [will be released later today](http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/02/26/newest-ohio-primary-poll-to-be-released-today/). [/QUOTE] It’s up, showing Clinton 50%, Obama 44%. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/44 "2008-02-26T19:55:37Z")
[Burlington Free Press](http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS01/802230307/1009/NEWS05) reports that Obama is ahead in Vermont with 60% to Hillary’s 34%. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/45 "2008-02-26T20:42:02Z")
[QUOTE=Steve MB] It’s up, showing Clinton 50%, Obama 44%. [/QUOTE] He has been closing the gap everyday in the last 2 weeks in Ohio. Margin of error being around 4, that race is neck and neck, and by this time next tuesday expect Obama tied or ahead. Further, if he simply ties her in Ohio and takes TX, RI, VT it’s over. Hell if he ties her across the board it’s over. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/46 "2008-02-26T21:36:30Z")
The polls I’ve been able to find so far show [Clinton leading Obama in Rhode Island](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ri/rhode_island_democratic_primary-544.html) by double digits – 17% according to Rasmussen, 12% [according to ARG](http://www.presidentpolls2008.com/primary-election-poll-results/rhode-island-democratic-republican-polls.html). ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/47 "2008-02-26T22:06:06Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] It is a great time to be an Ohio Democrat. A good friend and colleague of mine lives in Cincinnati and work for UC and said that after [this](http://www.uc.edu/news/NR.asp?id=7924) rally, the ENTIRE campus was abuzz with Obama and that she as a professor of Psychology was especially pleased with the high student turn out for him. Aparently there was supposed to be a Clinton rally the week before but it was cancelled. She also mentions that Obama staffers were on campus a month ago, planning and scouting. If that’s not organization I don’t know what is. She goes on to infer what many are thinking already in the buckeye state, that Obama appears to be much more organized and on the ball than the Clinton Campaign. [/QUOTE] [This article](http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1717150,00.html)poses some stark contrasts between the two campaigns: > [@](#): > > All winter, the heart of Hillary Clinton’s campaign in central Ohio was Jamie Dixey’s apartment in the affluent Columbus suburb of New Albany. She started by inviting nine friends over to listen in on a national conference call with Clinton. She organized two monthly meetings, both of which attracted about 10 people. “It was very hard to get people interested because it was so early,” Dixey says. In the world of traditional Democratic Party campaigns, this was enough to qualify Dixey as a star volunteer. She won an invitation to Governor Ted Strickland’s rally on Jan. 19 formally kicking off Clinton’s grassroots campaign in Ohio. > > Dixey’s counterpart on the Obama campaign, Valli Frausto, signed up to volunteer for Obama on Feb. 11, 2007, the day after he announced his candidacy. Immediately she found the social networking section of Obama’s website, [my.barackobama.com](http://my.barackobama.com), which campaign insiders affectionately call “MyBO.” Frausto posted a personal profile, just as she would on MySpace, and met other supporters online. Within six months, her group of three women had grown to over 200 members. Together they used the website’s event planning tools to organize Obama for President picnics, neighborhood cleanups, phone banks and a 5K fund-raiser run. > > After Super Tuesday, as national staff for both campaigns descended on Ohio, Obama’s state leaders began flexing the power of MyBO and the grassroots network it spawned. Across the state, Obama’s 300 web-based groups started canvassing neighborhoods three days to a week before Clinton’s campaign, supporters on both sides say. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/48 "2008-02-26T22:16:13Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] [This article](http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1717150,00.html)poses some stark contrasts between the two campaigns:Wow. [/QUOTE] It’s the stuff that wins elections. Plain and simple. Clinton didn’t even file a full slate in Pennsylvania because she didn’t even think it would go that far. Talk about WOW! ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/49 "2008-02-26T22:16:34Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] > [@](#): > > . . . Dixey’s counterpart on the Obama campaign, Valli Frausto. . . [/quote] Ok, that’s funny. I just talked to her on the phone on Sunday! I’m also part of the MyBO community, and partnered with someone who was trying to raise $1,000 for Obama. She had already collected about $200, so I pledged to match each additional increment of $18 with $5 worth of Obama supplies, up to $220, half going to Texas and half going to Ohio. When I called the Columbus office on Sunday to find out what they need most\*, I got Valli on the phone. 🙂 (\*For the record, they’re **desperate for bumper stickers** and ask that they be ordered through [www.demstore.com](http://www.demstore.com) and sent to the [Columbus office](http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ohoffices).) ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/50 "2008-02-26T22:59:49Z")
[QUOTE=mlees] If McCain can run at 71/72 years old, Hillary can run again in 2012 or even 2016, right? She doesn’t seem to take bad news very well… [/QUOTE] She knows this is it for her. There are too many other just as, or even more so, prominent women already in the wings to become the first female PotUS. Women with much better resumes and much, much more likeable personalities. One of whom(I hope), Gov. Sebelius of Kansas, very likely could already be in the White House in '09 as Obama’s VP. I’m sure this won’t be Hillary’s last effort, but it certainly is her last chance. Any hope she once had of rebounding in later elections, has been left on the other side of what’s left of the bridges destroyed in the wake of fire she’s left on this campaign trail. I think her best bet now is to do like Ted Kennedy and become a real force in the Senate, rather than just using it as a means to her end. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/51 "2008-02-27T01:11:59Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] They also say Obama is leading 49-45 in Texas. [/QUOTE] My birthday’s March 6. I wonder if Hillary will concede on my birthday, or the day before. Happy birthday to me! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/52 "2008-02-27T08:11:30Z")
Not sure where to put this, or even if it deserves its own thread, but the Obama website is showing [del]998,641[/del] [del]998,665[/del] 998,700 donors! I bet he gets 1M by the time I wake up in the morning! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/53 "2008-02-27T09:16:28Z")
[QUOTE=tds1273] I think her best bet now is to do like Ted Kennedy and become a real force in the Senate, rather than just using it as a means to her end. [/QUOTE] She could do a heck of a lot of good there. She’s not so much on working in front of the scenes because there’s so much baggage attached to her name, but she might make a really excellent Majority Whip. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Rosewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/898d66/32.png) [@Mr.Rosewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Rosewater)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/54 "2008-02-27T09:49:07Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Not sure where to put this, or even if it deserves its own thread, but the Obama website is showing [del]998,641[/del] [del]998,665[/del] 998,700 donors! I bet he gets 1M by the time I wake up in the morning! 😃 [/QUOTE] Wow, I guess I am one in a million after all. He passed the mark of 1,000,000 donations (or maybe donors) at about 4:45 am eastern time. GObama ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/55 "2008-02-27T13:20:24Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Rosewater] Wow, I guess I am one in a million after all. He passed the mark of 1,000,000 donations (or maybe donors) at about 4:45 am eastern time. GObama [/QUOTE] GO BAMA!!! YAY!!! ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/56 "2008-02-27T13:52:56Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Rosewater] Wow, I guess I am one in a million after all. He passed the mark of 1,000,000 donations (or maybe donors) at about 4:45 am eastern time. GObama [/QUOTE] I was thinking about this on the way to work this morning. That’s a full third of a percent of the _entire_ US population. Pure awesomeness. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/57 "2008-02-27T14:28:05Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] I was thinking about this on the way to work this morning. That’s a full third of a percent of the _entire_ US population. Pure awesomeness. [/QUOTE] i really don’t think he’ll have any problems beating McCain. And with McCain publicly apologizing yesterday for the conservative asshole who opened for him slandering Obama - I think the pot is ever sweeter. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/58 "2008-02-27T14:48:26Z")
I’ll say it again – the New England Patriots’ juggernaut looked like having the perfect season end with a perfect win in the Super Bowl, and we know how that turned out. I’m as gung-ho for Obama as anyone (well, maybe not _everyone_), but I won’t believe it’s won till the last returns come in on Election Day. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/59 "2008-02-27T14:52:56Z")
I respect McCain for so emphatically disavowing that goofball rally-warmup guy. I really think McCain will try to keep the campaign on the high road… but there will be plenty of 527s and _uber_-conservatives who, in desperation, will try to win ugly like Bush/Rove. Clinton didn’t land the knockout blow she needed in the debate last night, IMHO (not that I really ever thought she could). Don’t know why both Russert and Williams needed to be involved, but I thought Obama came through just fine. I think there’s a real chance he could win all four states on Tuesday. My wife’s birthday is March 6, too. We could all get a nice birthday present with a Clinton withdrawal! ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410/60 "2008-02-27T22:16:01Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] I’ll say it again – the New England Patriots’ juggernaut looked like having the perfect season end with a perfect win in the Super Bowl, and we know how that turned out. I’m as gung-ho for Obama as anyone (well, maybe not _everyone_), but I won’t believe it’s won till the last returns come in on Election Day. [/QUOTE] Agreed. Clinton isn’t even out of the race yet. I’m not going to celebrate his victory until the absolute last vote is counted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-ohio-rhode-island-and-vermont-march-4th-2008/438410.md?page=4)