# Texas Sues Non-Trump Voting States for . . . reasons? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 9, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614 "2020-12-09T02:33:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/61 "2020-12-09T23:10:33Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > What about him impressed you? > [@running\_coach](#): > > His hyper-masculine whining and complaining. His manly pettiness. His robustly macho name-calling. **Modnote** : Off-topic, let’s not go down this hijack please. _This is just a guidance, not a warning. Nothing on your permanent record._ ---
**Author:** ![Alpha\_Twit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alpha_twit/32/265_2.png) [@Alpha\_Twit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpha_Twit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/62 "2020-12-09T23:59:36Z")
> [@bump](#): > > That might hammer home to Trump that it’s well and truly over. I doubt that Trump could ever admit that, even privately to himself. Even if by some whim of a perverse deity, Trump manages to hold onto the big chair in the Oval Office, I expect at least thrice weekly rants and tweets about the evils of those who would oppose him. This will never end so long as Trump lives. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/63 "2020-12-10T00:09:03Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > That’s a shame. It’s no secret that I am not a Biden supporter and I voted for Trump. But this is a ridiculous legal position to take and the Republican AGs of those states should be embarrassed. I hope it loses 9-0. > > Even if it was proven (which it has not been) that there was rampant electoral fraud in each of these states, no possibly remedy would be available that would not be truly revolutionary and provide courts with the power to overrule democracy in presidential elections. > > It’s like some people on my side don’t know how to lose. Shit, in my political lifetime, I lost in 92, 96, 06, 08, and 12. I’ve won in 94, 00, 02, 04, 10, 14, and 16. You win some and you lose some. Shake hands (if that was allowed) and move on. Retool your message. Thank you. People had a right to vote for Trump. He was eligible for the office. Trump isn’t the first asshole, incompetent, moron to get elected. (And maybe some think he’s great, that is their right.) He won’t be the last, unless we stop having elections. If he got elected again, that’s the way it goes. This disgusting crap that’s going on now is why he’s off the scale. Not his policies, his character. I’m actually sure people have tampered in elections. But you have to have proof. There is none. People going along with this should be ashamed of themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/64 "2020-12-10T00:10:06Z")
> [@simster](#): > > This motion, [https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163237/20201209155924009\_2020-12-9%20Texas%20Scotus%20Amici%20Brief-%20FINAL.pdf](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163237/20201209155924009_2020-12-9%20Texas%20Scotus%20Amici%20Brief-%20FINAL.pdf) , however - reads quite well. This one sums up my initial reaction to this suit, and IMHO is the tack the court will take. Election disputes are not a controversy between the states. Texas (or any other state) has no basis to challenge how another state runs their elections, and if Trump or voters in those states have an issue with it they should file in those states and prove their claims. They have tried and failed to do so. > [@UltraVires](#): > > That’s a shame. It’s no secret that I am not a Biden supporter and I voted for Trump. But this is a ridiculous legal position to take and the Republican AGs of those states should be embarrassed. I hope it loses 9-0. I know others jumped on your Trump support, but I want to acknowledge your recognition that this is an absurdity. And, I think you would agree, a rather anti-democratic position to take. I do wonder if any of the post-election actions by Trump and his legal team have made you reconsider your support for the man? To me it has only reinforced my belief that no matter how much one may like his policies, positions, or approach to government (and I do not, but I can acknowledge that some do), his basic disdain for the American system of government and the norms that enable our democracy is too dangerous to allow him to continue in office. But that may be off topic so I will understand if you don’t respond. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/65 "2020-12-10T00:34:49Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > I do wonder if any of the post-election actions by Trump and his legal team have made you reconsider your support for the man? To me it has only reinforced my belief that no matter how much one may like his policies, positions, or approach to government (and I do not, but I can acknowledge that some do), his basic disdain for the American system of government and the norms that enable our democracy is too dangerous to allow him to continue in office. But that may be off topic so I will understand if you don’t respond. Nicely put. I was so unsurprised at how Trump responded to losing (ie “I didn’t lose, I was cheated, whine, ,whine, cry”) What I can’t understand is how any of his supporters/voters could have been surprised by what has happened post-election. It was entirely predictable. It was obviously going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/66 "2020-12-10T00:43:09Z")
Jumping off the train _after_ it has been set afire by the engineer, jumped the tracks and gone over the cliff at full speed doesn’t even rate a golf clap, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/67 "2020-12-10T00:43:48Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I just read thru a portion of Trump’s intervention - it reads as mostly ‘wha wha I shoulda won and the other guys cheated’ - its truly pathetic. IANAL, but I read a bit of it and I had the same reaction. I found the arguments ridiculous. I noted it was filed by John Eastman. Wasn’t he the conservative legal scholar who claimed Kamala Harris was ineligible to be VP? ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/68 "2020-12-10T00:46:40Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > But this is a ridiculous legal position to take and the Republican AGs of those states should be embarrassed. I hope it loses 9-0. > > Even if it was proven (which it has not been) that there was rampant electoral fraud in each of these states, no possibly remedy would be available that would not be truly revolutionary and provide courts with the power to overrule democracy in presidential elections. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/69 "2020-12-10T00:53:51Z")
Now it looks like 17 states have filed. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/70 "2020-12-10T00:54:32Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > Another thumbs-up on your honesty. I won’t pass judgement on why this is the first you’ve (as far as I can recall) criticized Trump–you’re a lawyer, and I’m not. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/71 "2020-12-10T01:09:01Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Now it looks like 17 states have filed. As was mentioned by other posters earlier, it’s a cheap way to show their own constituents that they’re doing ‘something’ while the Texas AG is the one who will get the ridicule, and they have pretty much zero cost/investment. Which I find despicable, but unsurprising. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/72 "2020-12-10T02:29:01Z")
> [@gnarator](#): > > I noted it was filed by John Eastman. Wasn’t he the conservative legal scholar who claimed Kamala Harris was ineligible to be VP? Yep. Same guy. Still full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/73 "2020-12-10T03:50:19Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > But this is a ridiculous legal position to take and the Republican AGs of those states should be embarrassed They should be more than embarrassed. They should all be voted out of office. They won’t be, but that’s what they deserve. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/74 "2020-12-10T03:53:05Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > It’s like some people on my side don’t know how to lose. Shit, in my political lifetime, I lost in 92, 96, 06, 08, and 12. I’ve won in 94, 00, 02, 04, 10, 14, and 16. You win some and you lose some. Shake hands (if that was allowed) and move on. Retool your message. This is the fundamental divergence and damage that the Trumpian side is inflicting – the rejection of “you win some, you lose some”. The view that there is something wrong with you and me if we can accept “wrongness” winning and “righteousness” losing, and _that the Law is not there to establish fair play but to make “Right” beat “Wrong”_, by whatever means necessary. This also eflects the personal ethos of Trump, whose own words reveal that in his universe there are not _people who lost_, but _Losers_. Who are _Losers_ because they were _weak_. And people who accept the call of the refs w/o a bench-clearing brawl are _weak_. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/75 "2020-12-10T04:13:37Z")
I’ve been reading the Cicchetti Declaration In support of the original filing, and it is such happy horseshit that it’s a shame that he’s not a member of some organization that he can be booted from. Essentially, even though he has a statistical background, he has no background in politics whatsoever, and he bases his attack on the election by arguing that 1) Biden’s improvement over Clinton is statistically implausible, and 2) the late ballots that arrived couldn’t possibly have been that different from the early ballots. From all that, he concludes that the odds of Biden having actually won the election are less than one in a quadrillion. It’s just complete stupidity. You can find prior elections where someone’s results change by more than that. And we already know why late ballots look different from early ballots. I just shake my head at what is either utter venality or utter stupidity, or I guess more likely both. Start on page 20 if you want to see for yourself. > **[20201208132827887\_TX-v-State-ExpedMot%202020-12-07%20FINAL.pdf](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163048/20201208132827887_TX-v-State-ExpedMot%202020-12-07%20FINAL.pdf)** > > 21.09 MB ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/76 "2020-12-10T04:36:36Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > he bases his attack on the election by arguing that 1) Biden’s improvement over Clinton is statistically implausible But Trump’s 2020 10 million vote improvement over Trump’s 2016 performance isn’t? 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/77 "2020-12-10T11:41:24Z")
PA AG speaking out against the Texas lawsuit and the 17 AGs that joined in on the Rachel Maddow show. > [@](#): > > Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro points out that even as Donald Trump and his supporting media and red-state sycophants continue to try to overturn the will of American voters to elect Joe Biden as the next president, the court system has consistently rejected those efforts, preserving American democracy. Aired on 12/10/2020. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/8lMk1pcT5Oc/maxresdefault.jpg "Courts Bear Up Against Anti-Democracy Republicans' Attacks On 2020 Joe Biden Election Win") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lMk1pcT5Oc) Quote from the statement from the 3 AGs of the states of MI, WI and PA. > [@](#): > > These insignificant attempts to disregard the will of the people in our three states mislead the public and tear at the fabric of our Constitution . . . > ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/78 "2020-12-10T13:11:15Z")
Do we know when we’ll hear anything from the Supremes on this? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/79 "2020-12-10T13:15:55Z")
> [@jaycat](#): > > Do we know when we’ll hear anything from the Supremes on this? - 🎶 Stop! In the name of law… 🎶 ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/80 "2020-12-10T13:27:10Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > 🎶 Stop! In the name of law… 🎶 You just won the internet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614.md?page=5)