# Texas Sues Non-Trump Voting States for . . . reasons? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 9, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614 "2020-12-09T02:33:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/161 "2020-12-11T17:28:34Z")
They have no intention of seceding; they have every intention of undermining the government to take it over and use the resources of the national government to reward themselves, and to punish their enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/162 "2020-12-11T17:34:13Z")
Totes. I’m the ultimate daydreamer about a fantasy land where we would have the opportunity to improve on things we do and I am curious to find out if conservatives ever think like that. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/163 "2020-12-11T17:36:19Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Totes. I’m the ultimate daydreamer about a fantasy land where we would have the opportunity to **improve on things we do** and I am curious to find out **if conservatives ever think like that.** - What do you think they’re doing? ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/164 "2020-12-11T17:39:39Z")
That’s what I want to know! Do they mean _new filing from California_ or has Sidney Powell joined in with her unique approach? ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/165 "2020-12-11T17:39:47Z")
Withdrawn, when I read the thread today many updates were not showing. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/166 "2020-12-11T17:46:21Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > That’s what I want to know! Do they mean _new filing from California_ or has Sidney Powell joined in with her unique approach? I’m not sure if you are seriously asking or not, but attorney Robert Ellsworth Thomas III (with a [Carguy341@yahoo.com](mailto:Carguy341@yahoo.com) e-mail address) has filed on behalf of the fictional states of New California and New Nevada in order to support the Texas motion. It’s unclear what office he holds in those two states (or, indeed, how one could hold an office in a non-existent state). Here’s a quote from the brief: > [@](#): > > New California State and New Nevada State are directly impacted by the arbitrary and capricious changes in election laws and procedures occur with unfortunate regularity in the current States of California and Nevada.Part of the reason for the formation of New California State and New Nevada Sate is to stop the lawless actions of Governors Newsome (California)and Sisolak (Nevada). > > An opinion by this Court affirming a national, uniform rule of law re-establishing the supremacy of The Electors Clause of Article II, §1 of the United States Constitution will resolve some of the complaints causing the establishment of these new States. So, yeah… ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/167 "2020-12-11T17:49:54Z")
I sincerely hope the SCOTUS justices are having a good laugh. I picture them on a zoom call: “You guys, check out page 24…” “Bet you mean the misspelling, hahah!” " It’s downright Freudian!" “What kind of idiots…?” This could unite conservative and liberal justices like never before. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/168 "2020-12-11T17:53:08Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > For sure, Texas would face a million lawsuits in such a scenario. But I was just asking, Constitutionally, if a state like California would have grounds to sue because “your illegal suppression in Texas indirectly affects us.” I could see how maybe they would have some standing to sue under section 2 of the 14th amendment, in saying that Texas should have its number of representatives and other apportionment reduced. California (and all other states) _may_ have standing that they should have more representation as a result of Texas’s actions and the 14th. Outside of that, I do not see how one state could claim to have standing over the way any other state performs its elections. I am not a lawyer, though. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/169 "2020-12-11T17:55:46Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > section 2 of the 14th amendment does not grant a cause of action (right to sue and claim relief) See section 5, also 2 U.S.C. 6 which automatically reduces representation. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/170 "2020-12-11T18:02:53Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > > > Totes. I’m the ultimate daydreamer about a fantasy land where we would have the opportunity to **improve on things we do** and I am curious to find out **if conservatives ever think like that.** - > > What do you think they’re doing? I don’t understand your reply. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/171 "2020-12-11T18:11:03Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > does not grant a cause of action (right to sue and claim relief) That _would_ be up for the court to decide, wouldn’t it? > [@Max\_S](#): > > 2 U.S.C. 6 which automatically reduces representation. It’s not really “automatic”. Someone has to actually implement and enforce that. If it were not enforced, if Texas could disenfranchise a substantial number of its voters without congress acting to reduce its apportionment, what other relief could a state ask for? In any case, I was just pointing out the actual harm that would be done, and the actual relief that could be desired, should one state disagree with the voting of another. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/172 "2020-12-11T18:12:48Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > I don’t understand your reply. - Conservatives are trying to improve on the things _they_ want. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/173 "2020-12-11T18:23:09Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > I’m stealing that. Especially shuddering incompetence. 18 Republican states have filed an emergency case with the SCOTUS about your unlawful usurpation of my best words. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/174 "2020-12-11T18:24:14Z")
Hell, they spelled _State_ wrong- “sate”. These people need to be committed. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/175 "2020-12-11T18:27:08Z")
some speculation it will be smacked down tonight . ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/176 "2020-12-11T18:27:13Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > I’m not sure if you are seriously asking or not, but attorney Robert Ellsworth Thomas III (with a [Carguy341@yahoo.com](mailto:Carguy341@yahoo.com) e-mail address) has filed on behalf of the fictional states of New California and New Nevada in order to support the Texas motion. I was kidding about Sidney Powell because of all the errors in her filings, but I was wondering if the wording was in error. Apparently not. You can just create “new” states when you file a brief in court about not liking the election results! Alrighty then! Holy shit. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/177 "2020-12-11T18:28:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > > > I don’t understand your reply. - > > Conservatives are trying to improve on the things _they_ want. Under the silly hypothetical (my own) that Trump voting states would secede and form a new nation, what specifically would they try to improve with this brand new opportunity? Especially wrt the basic structures of government, don’t get bogged down in policy. (part quoting my original post: “would they simply retain federalism, the EC, two senators per state, etc.?”) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/178 "2020-12-11T18:31:39Z")
Maybe I missed a few posts, but I’m struck by the apparent fact that not a single person responding to this thread seems able or willing to formulate an argument in support of the Texas lawsuit. Yes, I know many posters lean left, but you’d think if this suit had any merit at all someone might step up to the plate. I too hope SCOTUS rejects hearing the suit, with maximum snark. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/179 "2020-12-11T18:35:08Z")
I want them to reject it, and ask that every single person signing on gets disbarred. Is that too much? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614/180 "2020-12-11T18:38:00Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I too hope SCOTUS rejects hearing the suit, with maximum snark. “Denied with _Extreme Prejudice_” Or how about a paraphrase from the principal in Billy Madison: "This case sent to us is one of the most insanely idiotic things this court has ever read. At no point in this rambling, incoherent brief was there anything even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this country is now dumber for having been inflicted by it. This Court awards you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. " [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-sues-non-trump-voting-states-for-reasons/927614.md?page=10)