# Thank you Christians, from an Israeli Jew **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 29, 2002, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113 "2002-09-29T16:47:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/161 "2002-10-10T13:50:39Z")
In **Joe\_Cool** ’s language, “pulling hateful lies out of your ass” apparently means “speaking symbolically.” ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/162 "2002-10-10T14:10:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Joe\_Cool \* > First, I’m not convinced that muslims worship the same god as Jews and Christians. I’ve discussed this before and don’t feel like rehashing it again. You’ve already shown that you know how to use the search function, so I am confident you’ll be able to dig up my views on that. Well, your opinions on the matter are so ludicrously mis-informed and shaped by, well, religious bigotry that it really is hard to call it “discussion.” Further to that, your citations to those sites rather reinforce an odd selectivity for if Allah is not your God, then surely the Jews God is not either. Religious bigotry really is what is informing this, not theological consistency. I second DDG observation in regards to your opinion on the P’s (a good % of whom share your religion.). Ah well, Xian charity and all that. (On the Islam-Judiasm connexion, I would suggest a reading of Bernard Lewis’ Jews of Islam would be productive, further making Captain and Tamerlane’s points. In re the Jesus angle in Islam, I do note that Jesus is indeed popularly important, esp. in some Sufi sects.) ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/163 "2002-10-10T14:42:10Z")
Damn hamsters! Anyway **Joe** thanks for the links, but they all make the same point ( some better than others ). That Muslims don’t worship a Triune God. Absolutely true. But then again, neither do the Jews. So my point stands - You can’t argue that Christians and Jews worship the same God, but Muslims don’t, if your only argument revolves around belief in the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ. It’s logically inconsistent - By those standards it would be Jews and Muslims that worship the same God, not Jews and Christians. Perhaps you might wish to re-think that position a bit off the board. I will note that barring, perhaps, some oddball heterodox group ( or _maybe_ some thoroughly inconsistent radicalized ultra-orthodox ), it is more or less an article of faith for Muslims that they share the same God with Christians and Jews, because Muhammed essentially said so. Even if Muslims do believe that the notion of the Trinity is completely mistaken and a bit blasphemous, they still regard Christians as ‘Peoples of the Book’. But then that is not surprising since it is the youngest of three faiths and looks back at the older two as foundational ( at least in a sense ). - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/164 "2002-10-10T14:44:10Z")
My mum used to say that everyone was worshipping the same God. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/165 "2002-10-10T18:00:00Z")
Isn’t hate speech forbidden on these board, or is there a post 9/11 exemption for anti-Arab rants? If Joe Cool was posting the same sort of garbage about Jews or blacks, wouldn’t he be banned? Example from Joe’s post: “So in my limited experience, I have found Palestinians to be a very hateful people…” Substitute the word “blacks” or “Jews” in the sentence and he’d be gone in a heartbeat, would he not? So why is he permitted to spew this puke about Muslims ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/166 "2002-10-10T20:50:54Z")
Here it is, less than 12 hours after I said I was done with this thread, and here I am, so appalled by the foolishness I see applied to my words, that I’m posting in it again. First. “In my experience, I have found Palestinians to be a very hateful people.” That is not hate speech, it is a fact. It is an observation that I have formed after interacting with a group of people numerous times. I don’t have to befriend a Palestinian to know that it’s not pleasant or safe to walk through the Palestinian section of town, and that I am treated with prejudice by said people for no greater offense than sampling their cuisine or driving on streets near their homes. Second. DDG, you don’t appear to need a “rhetorical speech” flag, as you caught it effortlessly when I used it without the flag. You’re evidently not as handicapped as you seem to think. And your little substitution trick doesn’t work, for these reasons: Israel is NOT under military attack. Palestinians are waging immoral attacks against people who cannot defend themselves, and killing civilians going about their daily business, not military targets. There is no Israeli section of Paterson that I’m aware of, and in addition, I have never experienced or heard of danger from walking through a Jewish section of town after dark. Have you? I’ve never had a car load of Jews try to run me off the road and yell racist insults at me while driving in said Jewish section of town. Nor have I ever heard of such a thing happening. When the WTC was destroyed, Palestinians did not even wait for the bodies to get cold before they celebrated the deaths and attacks. Israel, on the other hand, was the first to pledge its support and assistance after the disaster. In fact, even in Jerusalem, which I hear has a fairly large Jewish population, my point is played out. Palestinians are dangerous. I have yet to hear of Jewish car bombs or suicide bombs in Palestinian malls. Has it been happening and I’ve just missed it? If so, then please accept my most sincere apologies, once you provide a cite (military retaliation for terrorist attacks DO NOT COUNT). I’ve been to Israeli restaurants and businesses many times, and have never once experienced the kind of treatment I’ve had in the Palestinian section of Paterson. In other words, my statement was not “I don’t know anything about these people, I don’t like them.” It was rather “based on my personal experience with these people, I don’t like them. But regardless of that, carrying out acts of terrorism against innocent civilians is abhorrent, and I don’t like that.” The fact that there are Palestinian Christians doesn’t change the fact that the Palestinian leaders, government, and terrorists are going to be the downfall of their entire society, any more than the existence of American Muslims makes them hate the United States any less. I’m sure there were Japanese Christians during WWII, but that doesn’t mean that the actions of JAPAN (the nation, not each individual, since you don’t seem to understand the distinction) were any less atrocious. Collounsbury: Since Christianity is properly a sect of the Jewish faith, using the same sacred text, I don’t see any contradiction there at all. Take note the fact that the OT does mention God in three specific forms: The LORD (whom Christians consider the Father), The Spirit of God (14 mentions of people being filled with the Spirit of God and of the Spirit of God coming upon people), and The Angel of the Lord (preincarnation physical form). Also, feel free to explain the use of singular verb and plural noun in reference to God in the OT. The God of the Jews and of the Christians is the same. That of the muslims cannot be, as the personal natures are quite distinct. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/167 "2002-10-10T21:40:38Z")
Newsday, August 28, 2002 (available via Google cache): > [@](#): > > PATERSON, N.J. – When Muslim terrorists slammed jetliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, mosques around the country recoiled in fear of a backlash from angry Americans. > > Many shut themselves off behind steel bars and metal security doors, let answering machines handle incoming phone calls and temporarily moved worship services to members’ homes. > > But in Paterson, the northern New Jersey city where at least a half-dozen Sept. 11 hijackers lived just before the attacks, the community’s leading mosque responded with openness. > > Leaders of the mosque welcomed outsiders into their center, held a blood drive and collected $15,000 for the Red Cross victims’ fund, and offered classes explaining Islam to those of other faiths. > > They had Christian neighbors in for brunch, and still offer free headphones to those who don’t speak Arabic so they can listen to English translations of Imam Mohammad Qatanani’s sermons at Friday prayers. > > And the center gained worldwide publicity in June when it hosted a law enforcement recruiting drive, even as many of its members complained about harassment and spying by government agents. > [@](#): > > The center experienced only one real incident of harassment, an unsigned letter demanding its members leave the country and take their families with them, or else their children would be killed, Nabbassi said. The letter was turned over to police, and nothing ever came of it. (Looking suspiciously at **Joe\_Cool** ) [From Salon](http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/11/arab_reaction/): > [@](#): > > On the day of the World Trade Center attack, though, with suspicion running high that Islamic terrorists may have been responsible, members of Paterson’s Arab community found along its Main Street hub were reluctant to talk about the tragedy, and fearful of what it means to Arab-Americans nationwide. > > “You don’t know who did it,” stressed a man who identified himself as Fuad. “Why say we did it?” He did say, however, that whoever is to blame “should pay the price.” > [@](#): > > Indeed, like every other tri-state community, Paterson on Tuesday was filled with anxious family members, trying to track down loved ones working in the city, or even at the WTC itself, and hoping they escaped the rubble. One of the reasons so many Arab-American immigrants call Paterson home is its close proximity to New York, where many work every day. > > “I am sad for everybody. Everybody,” said Nadia, with her two children in tow. > [@](#): > > Even in a city like Paterson, Arab-Americans remain in the minority and must maintain good relations with their neighbors. But judging from a sampling of non-Arabs sitting by a downtown Paterson fountain, frustration and anger is running high. An American-born Black Muslim, Jamal, was visibly upset, and hoped Islamic terrorists were not responsible for the day’s carnage. “That,” he said, “is not what being a Muslim is about.” [Some random guy](http://bouquet.heb.fr.colt.net/lpb/courrier/courrier.asp?numcourrier=29): > [@](#): > > Some news reports on the radio portrayed some level of glee in Arab communities here in New Jersey. The mayor of at least one city (Paterson) was able to confirm that in fact there were no celebrations. Rather, according to one Paterson police officer, innocent Arabs have been dragged out of their vehicles and beaten. The overall mood in the area has been of shock, disbelief and fear of reprisals. The mayor is working to calm the situation there. And there are plenty more like it. I cannot find even a single reference from a legitimate news source to people celebrating 9/11 in Paterson. Oh sure, there are a few [dubious sources](http://www.newsrebel.com/rant_sept24_2001.htm) that assert something happened, but nothing from a real news source. Had anything like a celebration actually occurred, it would have been all over the news, even more so than the stuff that undoubtedly did occur over yonder in the Middle East. To the contrary, the news reports all indicate that the Muslim community in Paterson was shocked, dismayed, and fearful. Why am I not surprised? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/168 "2002-10-10T22:24:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Joe\_Cool \* > \*\*Since Christianity is properly a sect of the Jewish faith, using the same sacred text, I don’t see any contradiction there at all. \*\* With all due respect **Joe\_Cool** , I don’t think I would consider Christianity to be a sect of Judaism. Christianity and Judaism do share some sacred texts, although not all. Jews don’t consider the “New Testament” to be sacred, and Christians don’t consider the Talmud to be sacred. (Interestingly enough, Muslims do consider both the Jewish and Christian scriptures to be divinely inspired). However, those scriptures they do share, Jews and Christians interpret radically differently, and the idea of a triune G-d that takes human form to save mankind from hell is really completely alien to Judaism. However, the concept of G-d in Judaism and Islam are very similar. In both cases, G-d is an omnipotent being beyond the full conception of human beings, but who loves human beings and has given them laws, so they can serve Him and each other, and blesses those who obey Him and curses those who disobey him. He inspires prophets, to more fully explain His laws to human beings and call them back to obedience. Really, the only major difference is that Muslims believe both Jesus and Muhammed were prophets of G-d, and Judiasm believes they were not. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/169 "2002-10-10T22:25:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Joe\_Cool \* > > Since Christianity is properly a sect of the Jewish faith, using the same sacred text, I don’t see any contradiction there at all. Take note the fact that the OT does mention God in three specific forms: The LORD (whom Christians consider the Father), The Spirit of God (14 mentions of people being filled with the Spirit of God and of the Spirit of God coming upon people), and The Angel of the Lord (preincarnation physical form). Also, feel free to explain the use of singular verb and plural noun in reference to God in the OT. Islam is an offshoot of the same tradition and in pretty much the same way. It accepts the Torah, the Psalms of David, and the Gospel of Jesus as holy text in addition to the Qur’an ( though their conception of them is obviously a bit different than the Christian take ). And whether or not the OT mentions God in various aspects or not, it is still a fact that Jews do not accept a Triune God. It was for this reason ( as **Captain Amazing** in part pointed out ) that the 12th century Jewish scholar Maimonides considered Christians idolators ( this is obviously not a universally held belief anymore, if it ever was ). > [@](#): > > The God of the Jews and of the Christians is the same. That of the muslims cannot be, as the personal natures are quite distinct. The God of the Muslims is no more distinct in nature from the God of the Christians, than the God of the Jews is from the God of the Christians. Again, you could make a logically consistent argument that the Christian God is distinct from _both_ Islam and Judaism based on the belief in a Triune God ( I’d still disagree, but at least you would have an internally consistent argument ). But you cannot separate out Islam in this fashion, but then not separate out Judaism. It just doesn’t make any sense. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/170 "2002-10-10T23:16:15Z")
Joe, first of all, your accounts ofso-called “prejudiced” treatment by Palestinians sound highly dubious and paranoid to me. I’ve known plenty of Palestinians in my life, and they have been, to a person, extremely peaceful, kind and generous to me. Believe it or not, most Palestinians do NOT condone terrorist attacks against Israel, and every Muslim I’ve ever talked to about this has expressed a belief that terrorists go to hell. Who gives a DAMN if they believe in your own personal narrow-minded definition of God? What does that have to do with their rights as human beings? Israel commits human rights violations against Palestinians virtually every day. The Israelies occupy land they have no right to set foot in, they bulldoze Palestinians off of their own land. The herd them into camps reminiscent of American Indian reservations. They deny Palestinians such basic rights as freedom of movement, and the right to vote. Worst of all is their “collective” punishment of thousands of innocent people for the crimes of a few. This is apartheid, pure and simple, and it’s American funded apartheid at that. The systematic, institutional oppression of one group of people by another is going to result in some desparate retaliations. If the Israelis started treating the Palestinians as equal human beings with equally rightful claims to the holy land, then the terrorism would go away. frankly, I don’t believe that Israel is truly interested in stopping terrorism because they are dependent on its propaganda value to keep the American gravy train rolling. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/171 "2002-10-11T07:34:05Z")
> [@](#): > > military retaliation for terrorist attacks DO NOT COUNT Then I guess it all comes down to semantics, because I could give you some cites showing Ariel Sharon and the Israelis bombing civilians in, for example, the Al-Daraj neighborhood last spring, and you would just say, “Oh, that was military retaliation for terrorist attacks.” And first you say: > [@](#): > > : I do not know any Palestinians (or Americans of Palestinian descent) personally. –and then you say: > [@](#): > > In my experience, I have found Palestinians to be a very hateful people…That is not hate speech, it is a fact. It is an observation that I have formed after interacting with a group of people numerous times. Huge contradiction here, Joe. Make up ya mind. Either you don’t know any Palestinians, or you do. And I believe Minty has established that you evidently haven’t “interacted” with any Palestinians at all, if the sum total of your “interaction” was (a) seeing them dance in the streets of Paterson, which they apparently didn’t, so you must have dreamed the whole thing, and (b) intercepting dirty looks from them as you pass through their neighborhood. Well, BFD, dude–when _I_ pass through the neighborhood here in Central Illinois where everybody is different from me (it’s the Pink Umbrella Neighborhood), _I_ intercept some dirty looks, but I make damn sure I don’t extrapolate this to mean, “All people who carry pink umbrellas are hateful, just like those people in the Pink Umbrella Neighborhood who give me dirty looks every time I drive down their street.” It’s a mental discipline technique called “not being a bigot”. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/172 "2002-10-11T14:57:11Z")
[ > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Joe\_Cool \* > Here it is, less than 12 hours after I said I was done with this thread, and here I am, so appalled by the foolishness I see applied to my words, that I’m posting in it again. Perhaps Joe my boy, you should instead perhaps reflect on how your opinions and indeed your very own words have strung yourself up. > [@](#): > > First. “In my experience, I have found Palestinians to be a very hateful people.” > That is not hate speech, it is a fact. It is an observation that I have formed after interacting with a group of people numerous times. I don’t have to befriend a Palestinian to know that it’s not pleasant or safe to walk through the Palestinian section of town, and that I am treated with prejudice by said people for no greater offense than sampling their cuisine or driving on streets near their homes. This strikes me as pure bigotry and bullshit on your part. I am not going to advance some P’s are loving people as another reply, however I will note the following: (a) my personall experience has been that aside from the most hate filled radical elements, Arabs generally consider it the height of impoliteness to openly disrespect visitors, be it in their neighborhood or their house. I have rarely seen open prejudice (hidden, well that is another matter) or exclusionary attitudes in my long experience in the region and with Arabs in the states. Perhaps my ambiguous features get me a pass, but given P’s come in all kinds of colors and so forth… (b) I have often heard your kind of characterization about neighborhoods (black, Arab, whatever) that I know, and have not recognized it. It strikes me one finds what one’s bigotry desires. E.g. people telling me they were afraid in the Atlantic Avenue neighborhood in Brooklyn (an Arab neighborhood). They may very well have been afraid, but I never noticed any objective “hatred” directed at outsiders there (except in one Islamist store). You may well have recieved dark looks from a few folks – your extrapolating it onto the group is bigotry. You are a bigot. Either face up to it, or weasel. > [@](#): > > Collounsbury: > Since Christianity is properly a sect of the Jewish faith, using the same sacred text, I don’t see any contradiction there at all. Take note the fact that the OT does mention God in three specific forms: The LORD (whom Christians consider the Father), The Spirit of God (14 mentions of people being filled with the Spirit of God and of the Spirit of God coming upon people), and The Angel of the Lord (preincarnation physical form). Also, feel free to explain the use of singular verb and plural noun in reference to God in the OT. > > The God of the Jews and of the Christians is the same. That of the muslims cannot be, as the personal natures are quite distinct. I believe it has been adequately shown your opinion is illogical, inconsistent and essentially ignorant as to the theological facts. You may or may not like Islam as a religion, I could give a fuck, however in advancing the argument you bear some responsibility to be at least minimally informed through reliable sources. I would suggest starting with Bernard Lewis (a jew mind you) on his historical works on Islam, such as Jews of Islam and related works. Perhaps you can relieve some of your bigotted ignorance. As to the langauge usage, what are you refering to? The holy KJV translation, and the English usage? What relevance is that, Joey? I am sure you are aware… well strike that part … of plural usages as a sign of respect (the Vous in French for example). A naive and biased reading w/o ref to the original texts is just plain ignorance. A specialty perhaps? Properly a sect of Judiasm… as would be then Islam. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/173 "2002-10-11T15:34:16Z")
> [@](#): > > what are you refering to? The holy KJV translation, and the English usage? No, he’s talking about the way the Hebrew noun “elohim” is plural, but it goes with a singular verb. This is generally interpreted by Christians as proof of the existence of the Trinity, although there’s an equally vociferous contingent who claim that since the Holy Spirit didn’t come to Earth until Pentecost, it’s just the “editorial ‘we’.” Or maybe God is referring to Himself and all His angels… [http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/nbi/688.html](http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/nbi/688.html) > [@](#): > > In the Genesis 1:26, we find God having a conversation about the creation of humankind. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Then God said, Let Us make humankind in our image, according to Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth (Genesis 1:26)._ > > To whom is God speaking? There are four popular answers to this question: > > 1.He is speaking to angels. > 2.The Us is a plural of majesty. > 3.The plural should be translated as a singular. > 4. The Us refers to the members of the Trinity. > > \< snip \> > > The Hebrew noun Elohim, used throughout chapter one, is plural in form, but it takes a singular verb. This speaks of plurality of persons within the nature of the one God. The pronoun Us also suggests in itself a plurality of persons. > > \< snip \> > > It has been argued, however, that Us is required by Hebrew grammar since Elohim is a plural noun. Therefore we should not necessarily read the doctrine of the Trinity into this passage. [**more…**] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/174 "2002-10-11T16:54:46Z")
Aha, thanks DDG. Well, my obs re usage stands, although I can’t claim to have much knolw. about Hebrew style. Obviously in analyzing this, one would have to attach the analysis to the context of how Hebrew used the form at that time period. I can’t recall if the Quran uses similar devices… might be interesting if I find a moment to look into that. ---
**Author:** ![Bongmaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Bongmaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bongmaster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113/175 "2002-10-11T19:41:55Z")
Actually I can answer that. The best thing people can do if they want to get along is not be so convinced that they are right about their respective religion. Allow for the possibility that you may not be correct about what you believe and you can get along with anyone. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by akohl \* > \*\*Last week, in Jerusalem, I had the privilege of attending “THE COVENANT - The story of my people,” a musical theatre production put on by the International Christian Embassy. Over 10,000 non- Jews, along with a couple hundred Jewish Israeli guests like myself attended. The purpose of the event was to show support, solidarity and friendship towards the people of Israel. > > I just thought I would take advantage of my mood to share with all of you my appreciation for the friendship that is extended to us from people all over the world. At a time when so many raise a threatening hand against us this friendship must not be taken for granted. > > So for those of you who consider yourselves friends of the people of Israel I personally thank you and suggest that this thread continue with the following question; How can Jews and Christians, and others who feel that we have values in common work to better understand the nature of the bonds of friendship between us and how can we continue to pursue and widen our common agenda? \*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-christians-from-an-israeli-jew/130113.md?page=8)