# Thank You, Glenn Beck; Buh Bye, ACORN! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754 "2009-09-11T23:10:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/141 "2009-09-13T22:20:53Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > …Glad to be able to explain very obvious things to you. “A man’s got to know his limitations.” - Dirty Harry, _Dirty Harry_ ---
**Author:** ![Camus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba8739/32.png) [@Camus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camus)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/142 "2009-09-13T23:33:51Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I agree with this. Which is why I said that I would \*not \*call it a lie. No, you just said _you_ would not call it a “lie”, said that Obama’s statement could be truthful but only depending how you looked at it, and then proceeded to claim that Obama wasn’t telling the whole story. If Obama’s statement was inaccurate, it should be called inaccurate. If Obama’s statement was too simplistic, it should be called too simplistic. There is nothing whatsoever to indicate that Obama’s statement was a lie or deliberately untruthful. So if you agree with this, don’t prevaricate about it or defend the other position. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/143 "2009-09-13T23:43:34Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, if I put my table outside a factory or outside a gun club I’d get the same percent of people from both sides at each place? I don’t know. Would you? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/144 "2009-09-14T00:37:28Z")
> [@Camus](#): > > No, you just said _you_ would not call it a “lie”, said that Obama’s statement could be truthful but only depending how you looked at it, and then proceeded to claim that Obama wasn’t telling the whole story. If Obama’s statement was inaccurate, it should be called inaccurate. If Obama’s statement was too simplistic, it should be called too simplistic. There is nothing whatsoever to indicate that Obama’s statement was a lie or deliberately untruthful. So if you agree with this, don’t prevaricate about it or defend the other position. I said I would not call it a lie. Why? For those reasons you listed which I quoted, and said I AGREE with. I’ve made the very points concerning accusations of lying by posters on these very boards numerous times. As I’ve said, one needs two criteria to be met. One, an untruth has to be offered. Two, the person offering it has to know it to be an untruth. Otherwise, we’re in the world of someone merely being mistaken. So, I don’t think that Obama lied. I think he gave a truthful answer to the question in the way he had it framed in his mind. He explained that clearly. I do think, like so many politician’s answers, that he might have knowingly being somewhat disingenuous, giving a 100% truthful answer—_technically_, while knowing full well what the fuller concern was. Still, even id this is true, I agree that it does not merit the label of “lie”. I think we should all be less liberal with that accusation. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/145 "2009-09-14T00:40:29Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I don’t know. Would you? Depending on the specifics, I could make a pretty good guess. Good enough to be wiling to put money on it. Just to offer an extreme example, put one table outside a community center in Harlem and another outside the Stock Exchange down by Wall Street. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/146 "2009-09-14T13:32:14Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > The OP seems to actually believe that Obama was somehow aware of and supportive of what these four random ACORN employees were doing, and that ACORN, and I guess by extension all liberals, just think child prostitution is hunky dory. This is so irrational I don’t even know where to begin. Didn’t you know liberals have a hive mind? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/147 "2009-09-14T14:39:48Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Platitude overload. No response appropriate other than :rolleyes:. There’s no shame in not having a suitable response, **magellan**. Own up to it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/148 "2009-09-14T15:03:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nah, I’d say it’s more like many of the people who are philosophically conservative and pro-democracy and pro-capitalism but who voted for Obama anyway because of Bush (and let’s not forget that despite the Iraq war, the economy, eight years of non-stop Bush-bashing in the news and entertainment media, and an extraordinarily weak candidate, Obama still won by only eight percentage points, hardly a landslide or mandate) It wasn’t a landslide, but how is it not a mandate? He got more than half the votes, it’s a democracy, he won. That’s a mandate. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/149 "2009-09-14T15:10:43Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > There’s no shame in not having a suitable response, **magellan**. Own up to it. If you need to believe that, by all means, add it to your delusions. ---
**Author:** ![THespos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@THespos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/THespos)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/150 "2009-09-14T15:28:01Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > That being said, McBlowjobs would be a hot seller. Hell, they could sell them by the twelve pack. With dipping sauces. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/151 "2009-09-14T15:47:30Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Depending on the specifics, I could make a pretty good guess. Good enough to be wiling to put money on it. Just to offer an extreme example, put one table outside a community center in Harlem and another outside the Stock Exchange down by Wall Street. The Wall Street people would already be registered. It would be a waste of time. You have to go where people are not likely to be registered. You see everything as a plot. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/152 "2009-09-14T15:52:28Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It wasn’t a landslide, but how is it not a mandate? He got more than half the votes, it’s a democracy, he won. That’s a mandate. [http://mediamatters.org/research/200811040020](http://mediamatters.org/research/200811040020) Cheney and Bush and the Republican spokesmen declared a mandate after winning 2 very close disputed elections and went on their way to enrich and entrench the powerful. Did the repubs argue when Bush declared it one? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/153 "2009-09-14T15:57:31Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The Wall Street people would already be registered. It would be a waste of time. You have to go where people are not likely to be registered. You see everything as a plot. It was just an example. Let me ask you: can you think of a place where one might find people not likely to be registered which would have a larger percentage of Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/154 "2009-09-14T16:00:36Z")
A survivalist camp in Idaho, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/155 "2009-09-14T16:16:36Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It wasn’t a landslide, but how is it not a mandate? He got more than half the votes, it’s a democracy, he won. That’s a mandate. Apparently so. It’s not how I’ve always understood the term, which would be more analogous to the support evident in a landslide, but in looking it up it appears that you are correct. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/156 "2009-09-14T16:24:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > A survivalist camp in Idaho, maybe. Outside a Pat Boone concert? At a Carrot Top show? Outside Hannity’s bedroom window with binoculars? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/157 "2009-09-14T16:34:16Z")
At a Young Republicans meeting. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/158 "2009-09-14T16:34:46Z")
I’ve just come from an alternative future, one where ACORNs prostitution ring was not stopped in its tracks by intrepid conservative muckrakers and ACORN was allowed to take over the census. In my future, people of this present, Barack Obama rules with an iron fist, where the Americorps and ACORN gather up disbelievers to appear before death panels. Health Care is not just rationed, but used to keep people in line. If you voice dissent that means no EKG for you, unless youa re an illegal immmigrant, in which case you get not just free health care, but a free car, a free LCD TV and a free XBOX. So I come from the future to also offer my thanks to Glenn Beck, whos’ dedication may prevent such a horrible future from occurring. Now, could someone please point me in the direction Cyberdyne? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/159 "2009-09-14T16:35:58Z")
I’m a bit puzzled. I’ve searched some major newspapers on the web and can’t find any references to this ACORN story. As in not even a mention. Is FOX the only outfit reporting on this? Is it just manufactured outrage over a minor employee misbehavior/firing? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-glenn-beck-buh-bye-acorn/509754/160 "2009-09-14T16:37:00Z")
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