# Thank you James Dobson **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 25, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132 "2008-06-25T00:20:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/61 "2008-06-25T21:12:21Z")
[QUOTE=Don’t Call Me Shirley] Agreed that the whole quote is creepy in a bigoted, homophobic, methinks-he-doth-protest-too-much sort of way. I am teaching my daughter how to throw and catch a ball- Oh noes! I guess I only have myself to blame when she catches teh dyke! [/QUOTE] You might be able to avoid that by occasionally washing the ball. > [@What the .... ?!?!](#): > > > [@tomndebb](#): > > > > In June, 2006, no one outside Chcago knew who Rev. Wright was. It would hardly make sense to point to him when 99% of the audience did not know who he was. > > > > Did you have a point? > > Ya… that he shouldn’t be pointing fingers (even though I agree with him) and sitting in the pews of that congregation at the same time. If I’m comparing a Granny Smith apple to a McIntosh, I’m not pointing any fingers. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/62 "2008-06-25T21:29:55Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] One more thing, Dobson is a guy who says that a good way for dads to bond with their sons is to take them in the shower and show them their cocks. The guy is a nutball. His poor opinions of Obama and McCain is a credit to both of them. [/QUOTE] “So dad, did you have a girlfriend named ‘Wendy’ too?” “No son, that just the US mail abbreviation for Wyoming”. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/63 "2008-06-25T22:02:19Z")
Dobson’s suggestion presupposes that Dad’s member will be larger. If untrue, the kid may get an early introduction to a lifetime of paternal resentment. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/64 "2008-06-26T01:31:40Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] [Quote=tomndebb] In June, 2006, no one outside Chcago knew who Rev. Wright was. It would hardly make sense to point to him when 99% of the audience did not know who he was. Did you have a point? [/quote] Ya… that he shouldn’t be pointing fingers (even though I agree with him) and sitting in the pews of that congregation at the same time. [/QUOTE] So, your only point was to post a negative drive-by against Obama, even though it was a combination of error and irrelevance. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/65 "2008-06-26T02:19:52Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Dobson’s suggestion presupposes that Dad’s member will be larger. If untrue, the kid may get an early introduction to a lifetime of paternal resentment. [/QUOTE] and great popularity for compensation. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/66 "2008-06-26T03:59:20Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] It’s just something about how he _said_ it – like letting Junior see dad’s junk is the _purpose_ for the shower. That whole quote was from a lecture about how to keep your son from going queer, oddly enough. [/QUOTE] It’s my understandiing that the text of that quote did not originate with Dobson, but with one of the guys there in the reparative therapy trenches with him; specifically [Dr. Joseph Nicolosi](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nicolosi#Quotations). Then there’s the question of whether Nicolosi and Dobson go far enough in their prescriptives. Enter [Herman Hayes](http://cfav.blogspot.com/2005/08/dr-james-dobson-is-not-gay_12.html). > [@](#): > > **Showering with your son is a tactic to prevent gayness, everyone knows this.** > > I thought it was common knowledge that taking your young son into the shower with you is one of the best ways to prevent the malleable little tyke from becoming a homosexual. As Dr. Dobson informs us, you need to show your son that you, Dad, also have a penis. Of course, being the perfect father, I did not have to rely on Dr. Dobson to tell me this, I already knew. It is nice to know, however, that the esteemed non-gay straight man Dr. James “Homo-destroyer” Dobson is on the right track. Now that we have cleared Dr. Dobson of these nefarious allegations, allow me to expand upon his message. > > \ > > **There is only one problem: Dr. Dobson did not take it far enough.** > > Mind you, I do agree that showing your impressionable young son the glory of your fully developed male organ is a prophylactic against contracting homosexuality. I personally do not believe that it is enough. Your son has to be terrified of the adult male genitalia. For the rest of his life, he has to shake with fear at the mere thought of being exposed to another man’s penis. > > **You have to convince your son that looking upon a penis other than his own, or his Dad’s, will kill him.** > > You must tell him that a penis that is foreign to him will disembowel him where he stands, be it a school locker room, the gym, or in the home of another man. You must place in to his sponge-like brain the horrible images of him being eviscerated by a male sexual organ. Only when he bursts into tears when thinking of a penis will your job be done, and your lineage secured. I’m not entirely convinced that this site is 100% serious. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/67 "2008-06-26T04:16:46Z")
Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/68 "2008-06-26T21:42:11Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] So, your only point was to post a negative drive-by against Obama, even though it was a combination of error and irrelevance. Thank you. [/QUOTE] Tom … or is it Deb? When I read the OP and didn’t see anything to debate I felt free to do so. Not surprised no one had a problem with the OP though since it provides a chance to bash Conservatives and swoon over your boy. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/69 "2008-06-26T21:50:39Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] Not surprised no one had a problem with the OP though since it provides a chance to bash Conservatives and swoon over your boy. [/QUOTE] Why should you be suprised? Conservatives deserve to be bashed and bashed and bashed and James Dobson is exhibit A. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/70 "2008-06-26T21:58:19Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] Tom … or is it Deb? When I read the OP and didn’t see anything to debate I felt free to do so… [/QUOTE] Let’s see, someone could take the position that this hurts Obama as Dobson will excite a sizable population against him or keeps him from making inroads with those of faith or for other reasons, or argue that Dobson is right, or, well lots of alternative points of view. I don’t see my op as unassailable even if I believe it is correct. If you don’t want to make any of those arguments and instead _prefer_ to post a negative drive-by based on error and irrelevance, well then just so that’s clear. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/71 "2008-06-26T23:56:25Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] When I read the OP and didn’t see anything to debate I felt free to do so. Not surprised no one had a problem with the OP though since it provides a chance to bash Conservatives and swoon over your boy. [/QUOTE] If you open a thread in a debate Forum and do not find a topic to debate, it is polite to sit on your hands rather than threadshitting. I actually would have preferred that this thread have been opened in IMHO or the Pit, however, since it was not really a rant it did not need to go to the Pit and since most political threads wind up being moved to GD, I saw no purpose in moving it out to have it sent back. Since only Dobson (and his factual errors) were being bashed, this is hardly a thread to “bash Conservatives.” As to “swooning,” I have already been called out by posters claiming I was opposing Senator Obama on a couple of occasions so it is unlikely that he is “my boy.” (I do find your choice of language in that sentence to be informative in ways you had not intended.) And it remains true that your criticiasms were both inaccurate and anachronistic. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/72 "2008-06-27T00:28:00Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] Tom … or is it Deb? When I read the OP and didn’t see anything to debate I felt free to do so. Not surprised no one had a problem with the OP though since it provides a chance to bash Conservatives and swoon over your boy. [/QUOTE] Has it occurred to you that when your criticisms of Obama are inaccurate and a blatant display of bias rather than honest debate , they lack any real credibility? Try sticking to the facts occasionally and that may change. ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/73 "2008-06-27T00:30:06Z")
Today’s HuffingtonPost had an interesting column by [Frank Schaeffer](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/dr-dobson-has-just-handed_b_108989.html). A former evangelical in-the-fold, now changing his outlook on life…I think the headline is hyperbole, but the column is worth the read. Times are changin’ from strange fronts I wouldn’t have expected. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/74 "2008-06-27T01:23:06Z")
[QUOTE=elelle] Today’s HuffingtonPost had an interesting column by [Frank Schaeffer](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/dr-dobson-has-just-handed_b_108989.html). A former evangelical in-the-fold, now changing his outlook on life…I think the headline is hyperbole, but the column is worth the read. Times are changin’ from strange fronts I wouldn’t have expected. [/QUOTE] great. a hammer on Dobson ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/75 "2008-06-27T14:01:21Z")
[QUOTE=cosmosdan] Has it occurred to you that when your criticisms of Obama are inaccurate and a blatant display of bias rather than honest debate , they lack any real credibility? Try sticking to the facts occasionally and that may change. [/QUOTE] That is an excellent point … when it is valid; which it surely is on occasion. In many instances my so-called “inacuracies” are reasonable opinions that the vast majority here don’t want to hear. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/76 "2008-06-27T14:44:36Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] That is an excellent point … when it is valid; which it surely is on occasion. In many instances my so-called “inacuracies” are reasonable opinions that the vast majority here don’t want to hear. [/QUOTE] **Tom** criticized in very specific detail. You responded with more inaccuracies rather than any reasoned defense. There may be instances of reasonable opinions, but this isn’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132/77 "2008-06-27T15:54:29Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] As to “swooning,” I have already been called out by posters claiming I was opposing Senator Obama on a couple of occasions so it is unlikely that he is “my boy.” (I do find your choice of language in that sentence to be informative in ways you had not intended.) [/QUOTE] Er, actually, referring to the person one supports, politically or not, as “my boy” or “my girl” has never meant anything like what you are reading into **What the … !!!**'s post. Sometimes referring to an adult male as “boy” is not racist or condescending. OTOH, I admit to being irked when my wife refers to a “girl” in her office. “She’s sixty and hasn’t been a girl since the Johnson administration,” I say, but it falls on deaf ears. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-james-dobson/454132.md?page=3)