# Thank you, mods

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [December 11, 2019, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699 "2019-12-11T06:46:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/21 "2019-12-11T17:20:38Z")

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> [@octopus](#):
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> I’m sure it will cause much rejoicing for the hive. Then the hive will just move on down the snark list. Pathetic.

FWIW, I have no wish for our resident cephalopod to be banned, though I’m always happy to argue with him when he’s wrong.

> [@Velocity](#):
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> As a conservative, I actually wish **Budget Player Cadet** and **Barack Obama** hadn’t been booted. They were flamers and insulters but they often brought up valid or not-discussed-enough points that stirred up good debate.

**Barack Obama** was turning out to be a moron. I always suspected that this character wasn’t really the 44th president, who seemed a lot brighter IRL. 😃

Seriously, I think BPC was a bit of a loss to the board, but let’s face it, the discussions often went like this:

**BPC** : \<Some outlandish statement of an extreme liberal sentiment, yet probably worth discussing to some degree, then with an insult or two thrown in to those who disagree.\>  
**Moderator** : **BPC** , you need to dial it way back.  
**BPC** : No, I will not.

Repeat, repeat, repeat. I guess it was just a few times too many.

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**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/22 "2019-12-11T17:22:06Z")

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> [@Oredigger77](#):
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> I’m bummed to see Ditka go. He added a different voice to this place and it was nice hearing the other side even if I didn’t always agree. It’s unfortunate that so many people here get their shit stirred up at the though of people disagreeing with them.

It’s a sign of stunted emotional development.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/23 "2019-12-11T17:25:05Z")

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Thanks, mods! Ditka in particular was much more interested in scoring points and “liberal tears” than actual discussion or debate. The board is a much better place without him.

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**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/24 "2019-12-11T17:28:04Z")

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> [@Oredigger77](#):
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> I’m bummed to see Ditka go. He added a different voice to this place and it was nice hearing the other side even if I didn’t always agree. It’s unfortunate that so many people here get their shit stirred up at the though of people disagreeing with them.

Oh, he was a different voice, alright. The voice of a troll. Or as we called it in the old days, a gadfly. Originally a gadfly was an annoying fly that buzzed around and bit livestock, but it gradually morphed into meaning an annoying person, especially one who provokes others into disreputable action by incessant criticism. I have no personal issues with conservative posters like Sam Stone, or Bone, with whom I disagree politically on almost everything. But Ditka never seemed to have anything useful or substantive to contribute.

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**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/25 "2019-12-11T17:29:25Z")

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> [@BobLibDem](#):
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> I’d like to see the warnings issued to those goaded into them by Ditka be rescinded. The dude lived to get other people in trouble with the mods.

Yeah, it’s somewhat bittersweet that the ban ended up being personal insults or whatever, rather than a definitive statement about a years-long campaign of trolling in the form of sealioning, JAQing off, and, well, trolling.

I expect fairly soon we’ll see the emergence of a new account sporting all those delightful behaviors. Watch for the conservative whose main contribution is threadshitting with liberal-hostile questions.

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**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/26 "2019-12-11T17:29:54Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> Thanks, mods! Ditka in particular was much more interested in scoring points and “liberal tears” than actual discussion or debate. The board is a much better place without him.

Your critique of other posters would have merit if you weren’t so blatantly partisan with your bias. How about slinging some snark towards worthless left wing posters such as kaylasdad, steveG, etc?

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**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/27 "2019-12-11T17:33:14Z")

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> [@wolfpup](#):
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> Seriously, I think BPC was a bit of a loss to the board, but let’s face it, the discussions often went like this:
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> **BPC** : \<Some outlandish statement of an extreme liberal sentiment, yet probably worth discussing to some degree, then with an insult or two thrown in to those who disagree.\>  
> **Moderator** : **BPC** , you need to dial it way back.  
> **BPC** : No, I will not.
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> Repeat, repeat, repeat. I guess it was just a few times too many.

Basically, yeah.

\*\*BPC \*\*had lots of valuable content and arguments to offer, and his posts were usually backed by sound logic and facts. It’s just that he couldn’t/didn’t learn how to present them without flaming and running afoul of the mods.

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/28 "2019-12-11T17:36:53Z")

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> [@octopus](#):
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> It’s a sign of stunted emotional development.

How do you feel about stunted emotional development?

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/29 "2019-12-11T17:38:03Z")

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> [@octopus](#):
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> Your critique of other posters would have merit if you weren’t so blatantly partisan with your bias. How about slinging some snark towards worthless left wing posters such as kaylasdad, steveG, etc?

I’m sure my political opinions make me more likely to notice right-wing trolls than left-wing trolls. But I have called out broad-brushing attacks from the left on this board on multiple occasions.

As for specific left-wing supposed trolls (or otherwise worthless posters), feel free to make a case.

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**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/30 "2019-12-11T17:40:23Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> How do you feel about stunted emotional development?

I find it sad.

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**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/31 "2019-12-11T17:55:16Z")

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> [@Oredigger77](#):
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> I’m bummed to see Ditka go. He added a different voice to this place and it was nice hearing the other side even if I didn’t always agree. It’s unfortunate that so many people here get their shit stirred up at the though of people disagreeing with them.

He didn’t get banned because he said things that people disagreed with. You get that, right?

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/32 "2019-12-11T18:13:11Z")

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On the subject of BPC I’ll just say this.

He had seventeen warnings from seven different mods in many fora. He had two suspensions and endless mod notes as guidance.

How much is the board supposed to tolerate?

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**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/33 "2019-12-11T18:50:48Z")

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> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#):
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> How much is the board supposed to tolerate?

Lord knows we’ve suffered.

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/34 "2019-12-11T18:58:55Z")

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I too thought **BPC** made a lot of valuable contributions to the board but I’m not quibbling with the banning. That’s a lot of warnings to rack up.

Of the others, **Zeke** never really made it onto my radar but the rest were pretty toxic, especially in recent times. I never did figure out whether **Barack Obama** was a left-wing troll or a right-wing troll pretending to be a left-wing troll, but I’m pretty sure he was an asshole.

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**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/35 "2019-12-11T18:59:13Z")

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There is the old saying about being able to disagree without being disagreeable. However, these days it seems , to some at least, that disagreaability is the _essence_ of disagreement. One can be conservative (or liberal, or ultra-conservative or ultra-liberal) without being an asshole about it. Those who can’t should get, as Spider Robinson put it, an invitation to the world.

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/36 "2019-12-11T19:01:07Z")

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> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#):
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> On the subject of BPC I’ll just say this.
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> He had seventeen warnings from seven different mods in many fora. He had two suspensions and endless mod notes as guidance.
> 
> How much is the board supposed to tolerate?

Well, that’s _your_ fault for not splurging on the _Premium_ Player Cadet.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/37 "2019-12-11T19:26:31Z")

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> [@Oredigger77](#):
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> I’m bummed to see Ditka go. He added a different voice to this place and it was nice hearing the other side even if I didn’t always agree. It’s unfortunate that so many people here get their shit stirred up at the though of people disagreeing with them.

I disagree. The impression I usually got from HD was that he didn’t really understand the debates he was in. I feel he was just repeating things he had picked up in some right wing websites. In those sites, those ideas were applauded. But when HD brought them here, people responded by questioning them and pointing out the problems in them. And HD couldn’t defend the ideas he was posting because he hadn’t developed them and didn’t really fully understand them.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/38 "2019-12-11T19:49:02Z")

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> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> Well, that’s _your_ fault for not splurging on the _Premium_ Player Cadet.

That’s damn fantastic.

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**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/39 "2019-12-11T19:50:52Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> That’s damn fantastic.

Don’t encourage him.

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**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-mods/844699/40 "2019-12-11T19:54:11Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> I disagree. The impression I usually got from HD was that he didn’t really understand the debates he was in. I feel he was just repeating things he had picked up in some right wing websites. In those sites, those ideas were applauded. But when HD brought them here, people responded by questioning them and pointing out the problems in them. And HD couldn’t defend the ideas he was posting because he hadn’t developed them and didn’t really fully understand them.

I mostly agree with this and in doing so he reminded me of a lot of people I knew in the oil field. I don’t go to those right wing sites so I like having someone here who is willing to do so and act as their advocate even when they are dumb. I always felt he was genuine since I know people exactly like him.

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