# Thank you, Sam Stone! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2004, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-sam-stone/259161 "2004-08-10T06:37:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-sam-stone/259161/81 "2004-08-13T14:59:41Z")
The inaugural pitting of you, **Sam Stone**? Hardly. [This thread from just a few weeks ago](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=259147) most certainly counts, even if you started it yourself. **duffer** , does that mean you can’t come up with anything either, but you can’t face the implications of that? Apparently. Let’s be glad that the “sense” you and \*\*US \*\* represent is “uncommon”. > [@Miller](#): > > For whatever reason, he thinks this swiftboat group has some degree of credibility. I can’t imagine why, but he seems to be earnest about it. He’s been pointedly asked for his reasons multiple times, but refuses to do so. He leaves us no remaining way to impute honesty to his thought processes, does he? > [@](#): > > He’s not, so far as I can tell, ignored any points offered in rebuttal. Except to refuse to even mention the accounts told by the people who were actually there, that is? Or the statements made by members of this group about things we know they could not have seen (even by dint of their not even arriving on the scene until Kerry left Vietnam)? Sure he has. Typical approach for him, as was typical of **december** , too. You can object to even exploring the comparisons if you like, but that doesn’t help anyone. Read the very recent thread linked above for much more discussion - educate yourself. > [@](#): > > He’s not made up any lies on his own, which is very much distinct from believing in the lies made up by others. That’s wrong, too. He chooses to continue to assert statements _after he’s been shown they’re false or unsupported_, even if he didn’t make the initial assertion he’s parroting. How is that different from lying, either factually or morally? > [@](#): > > He’s not even used the Swifties accusations as an excuse to bash Kerry, he’s just being obstinate about giving both sides the benefit of the doubt: he’s not willing to write off either side’s version of events. Except for, as stated, the “side” of _the people who really were there._ The Kerry-bashing result is inescapable. You, like him, are defending the indefensible. How, for instance, would you tell John McCain that this statement he made about it is wrong? > [@](#): > > I deplore this kind of politics. I think the ad is **dishonest and dishonorable**. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. [[Link]([http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/](http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/) nation/president/2004-08-05-mcain-ad\_x.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-sam-stone/259161/82 "2004-08-13T15:26:50Z")
Oh, it does not you big weiner. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-sam-stone/259161/83 "2004-08-13T15:29:25Z")
Sorry, forgot the statement I was responding to: > [@](#): > > The inaugural pitting of you, Sam Stone? Hardly. This thread from just a few weeks ago most certainly counts, even if you started it yourself. Oh, it does not, you big weiner. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-sam-stone/259161.md?page=4)