# Thanks, cocksuckers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2003, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231 "2003-03-18T07:33:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/21 "2003-03-18T20:15:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by j\_kat\_251 \* > \*\*But now I’m content to call you all fucking asshole cocksucking cuntmunchers. Fuckwads. > You are whores. \*\* My point **esprix** , is that **j\_kat\_251** mentioned cocksucking, cuntmunching, fucking assholes, and then called the people in the thread fuckwads and whores. Yet you only registered “cocksucker.” Why? Why must we hijack every single thread that includes that word? Why must we assume that it is either disparages homosexuals or degrades the act of cocksucking? I am a mother fucker. I have, at one point in my life, fucked a woman who had a child. But I don’t go around hijacking threads that use the phrase mother fucker because I understand it’s a generic insult. It’s not truly meant to make a political statement nor to say “inserting an object into the vagina of a woman who has previously spawned is a awful act.” You’re a cocksucker. I’m a motherfucker. They can be literal, yes, but sometimes they can just be insults. Insults that have no relevence to the reality of the situation. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/22 "2003-03-18T20:23:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > **My point esprix, is that j\_kat\_251 mentioned cocksucking, cuntmunching, fucking assholes, and then called the people in the thread fuckwads and whores. Yet you only registered “cocksucker.” > Why?** Um, because the name of the thread is “Thanks, cocksuckers”? Thus indicating that there is perhaps some additional significance to that epithet than the others? Oh, and there’s that thing about how generally speaking “cocksucker” is not used as a derogatory term for “woman” but often is for “gay man”? Not meaning to speak for **Esprix** who I’m sure will be along himself to explain it to you… ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/23 "2003-03-18T20:59:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > \*\*You’re a cocksucker. I’m a motherfucker. They can be literal, yes, but sometimes they can just be insults. Insults that have no relevence to the reality of the situation. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. \*\* The difference is that motherfucker is _almost never_ used literally. Cocksucker, however, is frequently used literally to harass and demean gay men. Perhaps gay men are sick of hearing it. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/24 "2003-03-18T21:12:55Z")
Well, **Enderw24** , my analysis indicates that your complaint is off base. A bare textual reading of the term “cocksucker” posits a set, cocksuckers, membership in which is not based on gender but rather on sucking or having sucked one or more cocks. It is possible to extrapolate from the multiple “Ask the Gay Guy” threads and the post above that **Esprix** is a member of that set. Your post was the first mention of gender or indeed of homosexuality per se in this thread, as **Esprix** was speaking not as a member of the subset of male cocksuckers but rather as a member of the set of cocksuckers as a whole. The proper complaint, I think, would be that by presuming to speak on behalf of cocksuckers everywhere, **Esprix** was being arrogant. Of course, I didn’t get the latest newsletter yet so it’s possible that he’s been appointed as an official representative or something, in which case even that complaint would be invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/25 "2003-03-18T21:27:25Z")
But don’t you see? It wasn’t being neither to harass, nor to demean gay men. It was used as a reference to people in a still unlinked to thread. People. Men AND women. If a gay man happened to post in there, and if **j\_kat\_251** happened to be referencing that particular gay man, it would have been entirely coincidental. It was an insult. A generic insult against a group of people who are not you and, for all you may know, could be entirely composed of women. But that’s ok, because nobody here seems to be the least bit upset over “cuntmunchers”! Cocksucker is gender neutral. Since it seems that noone can understand that, I’m going to type it out again. Cocksucker is gender neutral. If, and when, it is used to disparage homosexuals I give you free reign to tell people it is insulting. But that it is “frequently” used to do so, doesn’t mean it is always used to do so. It surely doesn’t mean we must hijack every fucking thread that ever contains the word. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/26 "2003-03-18T21:30:05Z")
“It wasn’t being neither to harass” should read “It was being used neither to harass…” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/27 "2003-03-18T21:35:24Z")
Can’t we just use turdburglars instead? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/28 "2003-03-18T21:37:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > \*\*My point **esprix** , is that **j\_kat\_251** mentioned cocksucking, cuntmunching, fucking assholes, and then called the people in the thread fuckwads and whores. Yet you only registered “cocksucker.” > Why? > Why must we hijack every single thread that includes that word? Why must we assume that it is either disparages homosexuals or degrades the act of cocksucking? > > I am a mother fucker. I have, at one point in my life, fucked a woman who had a child. But I don’t go around hijacking threads that use the phrase mother fucker because I understand it’s a generic insult. It’s not truly meant to make a political statement nor to say “inserting an object into the vagina of a woman who has previously spawned is a awful act.” > > You’re a cocksucker. I’m a motherfucker. They can be literal, yes, but sometimes they can just be insults. Insults that have no relevence to the reality of the situation. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. \*\* So, you became the arbiter of who can and cannot feel insulted when? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/29 "2003-03-18T21:56:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by j\_kat\_251 \* > \*\*Please do, thanks. If you mean LINK, that is. I’m just really not good at the whole \ dealie. \*\* While I am somewhat boggled by the idea that you can only express your anger in terms of sex, here’s the [link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=169567). **j\_kat\_251** , I rather hope you aren’t actually having sex with anyone yet. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/30 "2003-03-18T21:58:21Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Enderw24** _ > > My point **esprix** , is that **j\_kat\_251** mentioned cocksucking, cuntmunching, fucking assholes, and then called the people in the thread fuckwads and whores. Yet you only registered “cocksucker.” > Why? [Begin Self-Diagnostic] [ul][li]Cocksucker? YES[/li][li]Cuntmuncher? NO[/li][li]Fucking asshole? NO[sup]1,2[/sup][/li][li]Fuckwad? NO[sup]2[/sup][/li][li]Whore? NO[/ul][/li] [End Self-Diagnostic] So since the only subset into which I fall would be cocksuckers, I naturally replied as such. I do not believe at any time I limited the community of cocksuckers to gay men. Isn’t it interesting how you automatically read it that way? I mean, I do, but then, I’m a gay man; but in this instance, that wasn’t what I was referring to. Using “cocksucker” (or, for that matter, “cuntmuncher”) as an insult is confusing, if not just asinine (not to mention libelous to those of us who enjoy the activity, regardless of gender or sexual orientation). So, instead, I put it to you - what’s _your_ damage? (Oh, and **2trew** , aren’t you on the e-mail distribution list? That memo went out _ages_ ago! 😉 ) Esprix * * * [sup]1[/sup]As an adjective, rather than a verb [sup]2[/sup]Some might disagree ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/31 "2003-03-18T22:03:43Z")
Oh, and yes, thanks for telling me what I ought and oughtn’t be insulted by. :rolleyes: Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/32 "2003-03-18T22:15:44Z")
Didn’t you know, **Esprix** , you’re actually supposed to get permission from **OxyMoron** to be offended. _He’s_ the only qualified gay man to ascertain when offense is to be taken. How did I learn that? Well, I objected to the term shirtlifter and was scolded by him with: > [@](#): > > It’s time to grow up. And part of growing up is developing a thick skin. My god, I may well have been out longer than you’ve been alive (20 years as of this fall, and I don’t know your age); one of the things I’ve learned is that harsh words are simply not worth getting offended at. When I was 15, yes, I got offended. And when I was 22. But once you get even a little bit older and have even a little bit more life experience, you start to realize that it’s not worth it. You start to realize that sucking up and ignoring things is the only way human beings can reasonably expect to deal with one another when they have diametrically opposing views. So the case is closed. You can’t get offended by words. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![j\_kat\_251](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@j\_kat\_251](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j_kat_251)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/33 "2003-03-18T23:09:01Z")
> [@](#): > > j\_kat\_251, I rather hope you aren’t actually having sex with anyone yet. Doesn’t it suck when you don’t get what you want? And yeah, she sucks cock. However I don’t call her a cocksucker because I recognise it’s an insult. But I firmly believe it’s only an insult to the person it’s directed at, not every one who does and has ever sucked cock, or even thought about sucking cock. Thanks for everyone who is on the “cocksucker is a generic insult and not meant to insult gay men/hetero women/transvestite donkeys with straws or any other particular class/group/category of people”. Boo hiss fuck ya to everyone who gets their panties in a wad totally unnecessarily. Did anyone open this thread expecting to see a fully-fledged rant against homosexuals? Because maybe whoever did could just find offense basically anywhere. OMG I will totally sue Enid Blyton for the opening sentence of Noddy Goes to Town. I didn’t mean any offense, except to the assholes (CAN HE \* SAY \* THAT? ) who totally spoilt the plot tension of the next few episodes. On an unrelated note, I don’t suppose it would do any good to tell you that I’m a mate of the president of our student “queer” affiliation, because anyone who says “some of my best friends are jews/blacks/women/gays/people who have frosted tips” is a fucking liar for sure. Also thanks to the person who provided the link. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/34 "2003-03-18T23:42:48Z")
How about recognizing that it was offensive to some people on these boards, and acting accordingly out of respect for your fellow posters? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/35 "2003-03-18T23:52:06Z")
**Dooku**! Stop being reasonable this _instant_! Heavens! Esprix ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/36 "2003-03-18T23:54:48Z")
Yeah, geez. The only good part about threads like this is that you can make fun of both sides. If people start being reasonable then it’s just going to wind up being a boring conversation about whatever point the OP was trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![j\_kat\_251](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@j\_kat\_251](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j_kat_251)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2003, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/37 "2003-03-19T00:20:02Z")
> [@](#): > > How about recognizing that it was offensive to some people on these boards, and acting accordingly out of respect for your fellow posters? Well what the fuck do you want me to do? I can’t exactly go back and edit that shit. I had no idea someone was going to start crying, but to anyone who weeps in misery over some imagined gay-bashing slight… sorry ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2003, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/38 "2003-03-19T00:27:35Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **j\_kat\_251** _ > > Well what the fuck do you want me to do? I can’t exactly go back and edit that shit. I had no idea someone was going to start crying, but to anyone who weeps in misery over some imagined gay-bashing slight… sorry I do believe that was the most moving apology I’ve ever seen on the Straight Dope. I truly think I may cry. **Otto** , be a dear and fetch me a tissue, won’t you? I’ll try to hang on until you get back… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2003, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/39 "2003-03-19T00:29:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by j\_kat\_251 \* > \*\*…But I firmly believe it’s only an insult to the person it’s directed at, … \*\* But the insult, “…fucking asshole cocksucking cuntmunchers. Fuckwads.”, was not directed at a person, it was directed at all Americans; apparently on the behalf of the person who ruined a TV show for you. I’m just curious at your wording, as I would have said something like “…inconsiderate, unthinking, culturally imperialistic, _24_ spoiling turdburglars.” May I gently suggest you read some of Jarbabyj’s pit threads for instruction on creative invective? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2003, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231/40 "2003-03-19T00:35:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* > \*\*So, you became the arbiter of who can and cannot feel insulted when? \*\* Absolutely not. Anyone can feel insulted about anything at any time. I merely retain the right to tell them they’re being overly sensitive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-cocksuckers/162231.md?page=3)