# Thanks lissener, maybe I should just quit the SDMB altogether **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 30, 2003, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357 "2003-10-30T01:41:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/201 "2003-10-31T23:15:26Z")
I’ve got it! Lissener is actually a Crab Person. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/202 "2003-10-31T23:19:43Z")
Ryle, not sure what you mean: you posted that I had called people homophobes simply for disagreeing with me, I asked you to prove it, and then you disappeared. Can I take this to mean that you rescind that accusation, and you agree that I do _NOT_ call people homophobes simply for disagreeing with me? In which case, thanks very much. If not, please elaborate. (Don’t mean to sound abrupt; I appreciate your last post. Just not sure in what way I should re-process your earlier posts in its light.) ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/203 "2003-10-31T23:37:31Z")
If people refuse to talk to other people because they consider them sinners, or evil, or morally corupt. Then the world will be silent but for the screams of those dieing in endless wars. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/204 "2003-10-31T23:40:50Z")
If people don’t challenge the precepts of the society arround them. Then they are no more than slaves of that society. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/205 "2003-10-31T23:50:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > \*\*Nice, **lissener**. You have indeed established that behaving like an asshole doesn’t hurt other people who are advocating your cause: by comparing this argument to the argument made by Mississippi sherriffs, you’ve got an airtight case. > > Of course, you could also look at how the Sierra Club responds to Earth First!ers who totally alienate logging communities instead of working with them, or you could look at the difficult relationship between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, or you could look at how people on the fence about feminism often look at the words of [a few frothing feminists](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=217790&perpage=50&pagenumber=6) to conclude that feminists are wacky. > > Be crazy and assholish to homophobes if you must, but please – for the sake of people who ARE trying to do the education still, refrain from throwing shit at people who might still be convinced. You don’t need to educate them yourself, but you could at least get out of the way of people who ARE willing to educate them. > > To do otherwise is to undermine yourself, in the same way that Robin Morgan has undermined intelligent, persuasive feminists. > > Daniel \*\* So basically, **lissener** has become the Andrea Dworkin of the SDMB? Oh, and **lissener** : > [@](#): > > If I had a prehensile neck, I could wear my ass for a hat. What do you mean, _if_? ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2003, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/206 "2003-11-01T00:13:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > \*\*Ryle, not sure what you mean: you posted that I had called people homophobes simply for disagreeing with me, I asked you to prove it, and then you disappeared. > > Can I take this to mean that you rescind that accusation, and you agree that I do _NOT_ call people homophobes simply for disagreeing with me? In which case, thanks very much. > > If not, please elaborate. > > (Don’t mean to sound abrupt; I appreciate your last post. Just not sure in what way I should re-process your earlier posts in its light.) \*\* Yeah, I mean I retract the accusation, I completely misunderstood that thread, and I could have sworn I read something that I _knew_ was by you, but after reading it over several times, it turns out it wasn’t really there. I’m really sorry, I guess I just really misunderstood what you were saying and read incorrectly between the lines. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2003, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/207 "2003-11-01T01:38:14Z")
All right, **lissener** , let me ask you an “on the street” question. Let’s just pretend that I didn’t hang out here and read the neat and thoughtful stuff others write. Let’s pretend I’ve never seen the **Zenster** banning recap thread, and have never entertained a second thought about the weightiness of pejoratively using the term _cocksucker_. It’s real life in this scenario. You are at a restaurant waiting to pick up your takeout and you overhear my loud conversation with my wife about one of my rotten employees. “He’s embezzled from our parents’ company. I really can’t wait to fire that little cocksucker.” What would you do? Oh. One other thing: > [@](#): > > _by lissener_ Bolding mine. > > I always give everyone, EVERYONE, the benefit of the doubt. The only time I let the rude loose is AFTER someone makes it clear that their prejudices are more important to them than actually learning a new perspective. > > **I defy you find an example of anything else**. I acknowledged being abrupt with Bippy; find me another one and I’ll acknowledge that too. At which point did you feel my prejudices warranted your [ecch] “letting the rude loose?” Perhaps you don’t like that I have in the past considered myself homophobic? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2003, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/208 "2003-11-01T02:58:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > **I’m sorry; what is your position exactly?** My position is that sexual preference is not entirely determined by genetics; it is not entirely determined by environment; you are telling the truth when you say choice didn’t enter into your sexuality; and choice’s role in sexuality is less important than either genetics or environment, but nonetheless exists as a role in some cases (e.g., radical feminists who make a conscious choice to become lesbian). > [@](#): > > \*\* There sexuality didn’t change; there unsureness did. Nonetheless, I don’t see my response as disrespectful in the least– > –certainly not an attack. > > I don’t see either of those responses as attacks. Did those responses really leave you feeling _attacked_? \*\* Okay, maybe this is really a case of you being ignorant, not a case of you attacking me. My girlfriend who left me for an older woman, and who later married a man? She was unsure of her sexuality when she was dating me, sure – but she was sixteen at the time, and what sort of fool IS sure about their sexuality when they’re 16? Certainly she was perfectly sure of her sexuality when she dated a woman. And she is perfectly sure of her sexuality now that she is married to a man. And in neither case did she consider herself to be bisexual, near as I know. (I am not 100% confident in that statement, but I’m reasonably confident – she and I were having pretty open and often conversations at the point where she switched from dating a woman to dating men again). And my relative whose sexuality has drifted all over the map has never expressed uncertainty about his sexuality; indeed, he’s always seemed pretty comfortable with it. Their unsureness didn’t change: their sexuality did. I’ll add another example: a dear friend of mine growing up was an older gay man. He introduced me to the pagan scene, and was dealing heavily with the death of his lover from AIDS when I met him. For awhile, he was the closest person I’ve ever had to a spiritual mentor. I lost touch with him for a few years, and when I met him again, he told me, with a deer-in-the-headlights-look, that he had fallen madly in love with a woman. He had always, he said, been the kind of queer radical who excoriated “bisexuals” for their hypocrisy, claimed they were trying to get the best of both worlds, and so it took him completely by surprise when he fell for a woman. Sure, he was unsure of his sexuality for awhile – but near as I can tell, that’s because he’d pigeonholed his sexuality too much. He went from being a dyed-in-the-wool homosexual to being, in a specific case, hetero. Last I heard of him a few years ago, he and this woman were still together. Maybe it’s because I’ve been on the borders of the gay and the straight world, but people seem to me to drift between categories pretty often. Unsureness is a byproduct of, not the cause for, this shift. When you cavalierly state that these people were unsure of their sexuality without knowing them, without spending hours talking to them, it comes across as presumptuous. When you dismiss my experiences by belittling my friends, it comes across as rude. So yes: I felt attacked. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/209 "2003-11-01T19:17:22Z")
> [@](#): > > My position is that sexual preference is not entirely determined by genetics; it is not entirely determined by environment; you are telling the truth when you say choice didn’t enter into your sexuality; and choice’s role in sexuality is less important than either genetics or environment, but nonetheless exists as a role in some cases (e.g., radical feminists who make a conscious choice to become lesbian).\*\* I have already said–and resaid and cut and pasted into other threads–that I don’t, personally, have a problem with that position, so I’m not sure why you feel attacked on that account. > [@](#): > > . . . My girlfriend who left me for an older woman . . . And my relative whose sexuality has drifted all over the map has never expressed uncertainty . . . a dear friend of mine growing up was an older gay man. . . . He went from being a dyed-in-the-wool homosexual to being, in a specific case, hetero. . . . \*\* I can’t tell you how many anecdotes I could share about friends who’s sexuality “drifted” over a lifetime of struggle; a struggle of which there was often no outward evidence. I don’t doubt that you know people–as I know people–whose understanding of their own sexuality has evolved over time. Your personal interpretation that their bedrock sexuality has mutated over time, however, does not serve to convince me–A)–that this is the universal human norm, or–B)–that you’ve made the correct interpretation. It still makes infinitely more sense to me that your anecdotes are classic examples of evolving self awareness. So, respectfully, I do not by your interpretation of your friends’ sexual journeys as proof that one can alter one’s sexuality. One can expand one’s sexual experience on the way to learning more about that sexuality, but you haven’t convinced me that their basic makeup has _changed_. I have a couple friends who are male escorts. Straight guys who each, individually, one day needed enough money to be “gay for pay.” (It’s extremely common in the gay porn world for an actor to be straight outside of “work.”) Both of these guys eventually accumulated enough experience in gay sex to become used to it, and even occasionally to engage in it recreationally. But both of them are still heterosexual. Again, I’m making a distinction between _homosexuality_ and _homosexual acts_. No one here doubts that a prisoner who’s engaged in homosex for “relief” while locked up has _become a gay man_. No one doubts that he’ll come out of prison ready to get back in the old saddle, as it were. His sexuality has not changed. His circumstances, his experience, perhaps even his understanding of that sexuality has changed, but his sexuality itself has not. If it’s rude to say that this is why I don’t buy your interpretation of your friends’ experiences, then I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2003, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/210 "2003-11-01T19:22:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\*All right, **lissener** , let me ask you an “on the street” question. Let’s just pretend that I didn’t hang out here and read the neat and thoughtful stuff others write. Let’s pretend I’ve never seen the **Zenster** banning recap thread, and have never entertained a second thought about the weightiness of pejoratively using the term _cocksucker_. > > It’s real life in this scenario. > > You are at a restaurant waiting to pick up your takeout and you overhear my loud conversation with my wife about one of my rotten employees. > > “He’s embezzled from our parents’ company. I really can’t wait to fire that little cocksucker.” > > What would you do?\*\* Personally, I’d ignore it. Might not eat there again, but I wouldn’t _do_ anything about it. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\*Oh. One other thing: > > At which point did you feel my prejudices warranted your [ecch] “letting the rude loose?” Perhaps you don’t like that I have in the past considered myself homophobic? \*\* I’m on a friend’s laptop\* and will take the time to reread the thread to answer this on monday. \*_computer_ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2003, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/211 "2003-11-01T22:58:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Res > > Actually, the passages you quoted do seem to support that position already: “_They do not choose their homosexual condition_; for most of them it is a trial.” (Emphasis mine.) If the Church leaders did not know of the evidence previously, then it speaks well of their ability to empathize with their brothers and sisters in Christ…You said that if the Church is wrong on this, you would work for internal change. What I have to say to you is this: you have your work cut out for you. Do not delay. \*\* (Abbreviated for brevity) Libertarian, you are so smart! 🆒 (Please let me bear your children??? 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/212 "2003-11-02T06:46:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > > I’m on a friend’s laptop\* and will take the time to reread the thread to answer this on monday. I’ll be here. In the mean time, don’t tax the hamsters too much. I assure you I’m actually on your side, yet you choose to shit on a viewpoint that will never advocate vigilantism or “militancy” against homophobes. Unlike you, I believe even the _incorrigibles_ have the capacity for change. **Res Ipsa Loquitur** : I hope you never have to adopt. Homophobia’s a sorry enough trip to lay on a kid, let alone its cloaking in the Cloth. Parents’ feelings of pain instead of, say the exaltation at the Duty of God’s good work, are yet another burden for an adopted child. Kids pick that shit up, take it from me. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2003, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/213 "2003-11-02T07:59:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > Is it just me, or is **lissener** rapidly becoming the new **Kirkland**? It’s not just you. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2003, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/214 "2003-11-02T22:59:46Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t doubt that you know people–as I know people–whose **understanding** of their own sexuality has evolved over time. …Your personal interpretation that their **bedrock** sexuality … It seems to me that you are assuming some sort of basic essentialism when it comes to a human being over a entire lifetime: some sort of basic fundamental that is always the same, just is more or less revealed or discovered. This would go beyond the “it’s not a choice” idea to the idea that sexuality is basically immutable. However, I think that view is just as questionable as its opposite. Indeed, ESPECIALLY if homosexuality is almost exclusively biological (which must, of course, include elements of both choice and environment), then it becomes perfectly plausible that, for whatever biological reason, a person’s sexuality could itself change, no more or less than any other biological feature that changes over a lifetime. The only way I can see how an essentialist, “revealed or concealed, but never chaging” idea would make full sense would be if people’s sexualities were inscribed on an immutable soul that is unaffected by anything that can happen to a person. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2003, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/215 "2003-11-03T16:06:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\*. . . At which point did you feel my prejudices warranted your [ecch] “letting the rude loose?” Perhaps you don’t like that I have in the past considered myself homophobic? \*\* Some selections that contributed to my writing you off and limiting my efforts at civility in my responses to you: First, some indications that civility wasn’t terribly high on _your_ list: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\*Guess it’s time to write you off as a bitter, spiteful vigilante. \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\*No. Your latest thread makes you a [vigilante](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=220690). > > Your incapacity for understanding some people weren’t born with _gay acceptance_ coursing through their veins makes you ignorant. Your attacks make you hateful. . . \*\* A couple attempts to blame me for the homophobia of others: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\* . . . your “Scorched Earth Policy” regarding homophobia is not going to work. It’s only going to drive a wedge between your message and the people you are likely quite apt to otherwise enlighten. > > . . . and reasonable people who might be slowly creeping to new understanding will shrink away from your rhetoric. > > . . . this is an issue that is so difficult for the standard male to grasp that you will always bear the burden of his projection. \*\* Condemning me prejudicially, not for what I’ve done, but for what you’d ASSUME I’d do in hypothetical situations of your own inventions: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\*. . . if I’d have made an offhand comment, you probably would have come down so hard on my sorry ass that my mind would’ve plumb closed up. BTW: I’m better now. > > \*\* A non-sequitur or two (I’m not sure that word means what you think it means). > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > **. . . Unlike you, I believe even the _incorrigibles_ have the capacity for change. . . .** Understand that few of the above quotes would have, alone, led me to write you off; but in combination they seemed to me to portray an attitude that was not worth my effort or attention. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2003, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/216 "2003-11-03T17:44:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > \*\* > Understand that few of the above quotes would have, alone, led me to write you off; but in combination they seemed to me to portray an attitude that was not worth my effort or attention. \*\* Looks like a lot of work to say “I’m not talking to you, LA LA LA” ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2003, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/217 "2003-11-03T20:11:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mangetout \* > Not necessarily (in my view); _why_ do you think it is a choice? I can choose to be with a woman, right? I don’t because I am a Christian and God frowns upon homosexuality. I think woman are beautiful (well, some woman anyway) 😛 Do I like men. Yes! I married a man. Why? Because I love him and God made a man and a woman to be together. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mangetout \* > No, if the sole thought in your head is “it is a choice”, that doesn’t make you a homophobe; however if you arrived at the decision that it is a choice because of some pre-existing opinion about homosexuality being a bad thing, then you are already a homophobe and the opinion that it is a choice is incidental. So being that I believe homosexuality to be morally wrong, I am a homophobe? I thought that homophobia was: straight people beating up gay people because they are gay, or not talking to someone or being afraid of someone because they are gay. I know that I am not afraid of gay people. I know that I have talked to gay people. I use to take care of AIDS hospice patients in their home, and all but one guy was not gay. I even cried and prayed for them when they passed on. I have even hugged their SO and gave my sympathy. If I am a homophobe, then I guess we aren’t that bad. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2003, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/218 "2003-11-03T20:20:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > \*\*I can choose to be with a woman, right? I don’t because I am a Christian and God frowns upon homosexuality. > \*\* Bullshit. Prove it. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2003, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/219 "2003-11-03T20:38:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > **I can choose to be with a woman, right? I don’t because I am a Christian and God frowns upon homosexuality. . . .** [Lisa Kudrow]_ **I went to a Bar Mitzva once; that DOESN’T make me Jewish.** _[/Lisa Kudrow] > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > **. . . So being that I believe homosexuality to be morally wrong, I am a homophobe? . . .** Yes. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > **. . . I thought that homophobia was: straight people beating up gay people because they are gay, . . .** No; those are gaybashers; terrorists. Being a racist doesn’t make you a KKKer, so drop the bullshit. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > **. . . I know that I have talked to gay people. . . . I have even hugged their SO and gave my sympathy. . . .** Well, some of my best friends are bible-bangin jeezers, and though I look down on them and pity them, I consider myself better than them because I tolerate them out of a sense of charity and superiority. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > **. . . If I am a homophobe, then I guess we aren’t that bad. . . . .** Naw, I’ve seen worse. And as long as the KKK is there to compare myself too, I can feel morally smug about being a silent racist. ---
**Author:** ![ResIpsaLoquitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b3f665/32.png) [@ResIpsaLoquitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ResIpsaLoquitor)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2003, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357/220 "2003-11-03T20:51:36Z")
Since **lissener** has commandeered this thread into another “Everyone’s a homophobe but me” thread, can I have it closed? I think his vile behavior has proved me point… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-lissener-maybe-i-should-just-quit-the-sdmb-altogether/210357.md?page=12)