# Thanks Microsoft, anything else you'd like to jam up my ass? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475 "2016-10-23T14:30:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/21 "2016-10-25T14:53:14Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > I hope we all learn to stop pissing and moaning about computers someday but I doubt it. You don’t like Windows? Well Windows evolved to be like OSX with how it handles updates, its general intrusiveness, and obsession with keeping you in their environment. You don’t like either? Well every Linux based system comes with the cost of hours of searching on forums to correct this or that error message. What do you get for all that effort? You get unpolished shitty software. > > So yeah Windows forces you to install updates. It’s updating to keep the system stable and keep your shitty computer maintenance habits from affecting the rest of us. It isn’t deleting your stolen Milli Vanilli mp3’s, it isn’t sending a list of your porn bookmarks to MS, it isn’t monitoring you and sending your data to the NSA, it isn’t saying you don’t deserve to be a control freak. It’s just minimizing the risk of living in a world like the 90s when all of your operating system stereotypes were developed you cranky old geezers. I’ve been using Windows since it first came out and have gone through most all of its iterations, good and bad (Vista, anybody?). Generally, it’s been a functional and reliable OS. But this latest transition from 8-8.1-10 has not been pleasant. If you read the initial post, I related the fucking disaster that happened the first time I tried to update to 8.1 (so much for keeping the system “stable”), which is why I was annoyed that MS decided to automatically “upgrade” my computer without my say-so. Luckily, my laptop didn’t crash again in the process, as I really didn’t want to have to fork out $800-$1500 for a new laptop, nor do I wish to have to learn the quirks of W-10 (although I know that’s coming at some point). I don’t need MS “minimizing (my) risk”. I manage my risk very well, thank you. But if I choose to be reckless with my computer’s health, it certainly doesn’t affect you or anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/22 "2016-10-25T16:34:26Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I’ve been using Windows since it first came out and have gone through most all of its iterations, good and bad (Vista, anybody?). Generally, it’s been a functional and reliable OS. But this latest transition from 8-8.1-10 has not been pleasant. If you read the initial post, I related the fucking disaster that happened the first time I tried to update to 8.1 (so much for keeping the system “stable”), which is why I was annoyed that MS decided to automatically “upgrade” my computer without my say-so. Luckily, my laptop didn’t crash again in the process, as I really didn’t want to have to fork out $800-$1500 for a new laptop, nor do I wish to have to learn the quirks of W-10 (although I know that’s coming at some point). > > I don’t need MS “minimizing (my) risk”. I manage my risk very well, thank you. But if I choose to be reckless with my computer’s health, it certainly doesn’t affect you or anyone else. Frankly I am mildly irritated by the enforced updates too. I didn’t want to go to Windows 10 but then one morning I had it. Windows 10 improves the start menu by integrating the tabletisized part of Windows (since 8) into the start menu. It’s just a graphically rich start menu now. Look up how to stop sharing data with MS and turn off all those options. Turn off the uselessness of Cortana. Now you have an easier to use Windows 8. I am about 75% certain there is an option to make the start menu like Windows 7. Historically, the huge variety of Windows OSes out there in varying states of update do contribute to malware/virus/hacking issues. The approach MS and Apple take to forcing us into updating is really the only option they have because of the sheer number of uncooperative people out there. It would be nice if we lived in a world where each individual could be trusted to handle their own computer security but we don’t, so these companies act like nannies. There’s always Linux. I tried Ubuntu for a long time. Maybe because of something I did in my n00bishness it had issues but none of the errors stopped it from running. I just got tired of it after awhile. I didn’t want to spend my time on Linux forums. Plus the office software looks like shit. Did you read **Broomstick** ’s post? That is weird! And **Kiros** doesn’t know a single device can do all that shit he is doing. It’s like they live in bunkers. ---
**Author:** ![Kiros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/439d5e/32.png) [@Kiros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiros)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/23 "2016-10-25T17:12:11Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > And **Kiros** doesn’t know a single device can do all that shit he is doing. It’s like they live in bunkers. Are you a complete fucking moron, or do you just play one in the Pit when people say mean things about Microsoft? How in the world is a fucking Xbox One going to play my entire Steam library in three-plus rooms of my house and host all of the media I own? Oh, wait, I have a Windows computer that does that, and my complaint was about the fact that it unilaterally restarts every week or so. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/24 "2016-10-25T20:47:10Z")
> [@Kiros](#): > > Are you a complete fucking moron, or do you just play one in the Pit when people say mean things about Microsoft? How in the world is a fucking Xbox One going to play my entire Steam library in three-plus rooms of my house and host all of the media I own? Oh, wait, I have a Windows computer that does that, and my complaint was about the fact that it unilaterally restarts every week or so. I didn’t read your whole post because it was boring. I tried a couple more times but didn’t get to whatever the hell it is you’re talking about. I guess you had to hide the fact you’re whining about your PC waking from sleep every once in awhile in a cloud of dull fluff. Dull fluff. I had no concept of such a thing until I read your post. So thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/25 "2016-10-25T23:13:50Z")
Yay, another Windows 10 rant thread! [ul] [li]Still no fix for the damn sound card. It’s been limited to a single usable output jack since the Anniversary Update.[/li][li]What in the hell is up with the randomly disappearing Start menu???[/li][li]Why do I have to keep reminding Windows what icons I want displayed on the taskbar?[/li][li]My Mac, my Ubuntu machine, and my Android phone are all capable of running Solitaire and other games offline. What the hell, Microsoft???[/li][li]There’s absolutely no excuse for having forced updates in the Pro version.[/li][/ul] I would seriously consider switching over to the Mac if it wasn’t for my Windows-based Quicken files. Incessant pestering is preferable to forced updates…honestly, my Mac offers more reminders for me to connect a backup drive than anything else. I get an OS update popup _maybe_ every month or so? I’ve been pleased with Ubuntu, but since I enjoy playing with it – and since this occasionally results in various problems – I don’t really consider it practical for my everyday use. And again, Ubuntu actually gives me a choice about running updates, whether they’re just standard program updates or OS upgrades. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/26 "2016-10-26T00:37:20Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > Yay, another Windows 10 rant thread! > > [ul] > [li]Still no fix for the damn sound card. It’s been limited to a single usable output jack since the Anniversary Update.[/li][li]What in the hell is up with the randomly disappearing Start menu???[/li][li]Why do I have to keep reminding Windows what icons I want displayed on the taskbar?[/li][li]My Mac, my Ubuntu machine, and my Android phone are all capable of running Solitaire and other games offline. What the hell, Microsoft???[/li][li]There’s absolutely no excuse for having forced updates in the Pro version.[/li][/ul] > > I would seriously consider switching over to the Mac if it wasn’t for my Windows-based Quicken files. Incessant pestering is preferable to forced updates…honestly, my Mac offers more reminders for me to connect a backup drive than anything else. I get an OS update popup _maybe_ every month or so? I’ve been pleased with Ubuntu, but since I enjoy playing with it – and since this occasionally results in various problems – I don’t really consider it practical for my everyday use. And again, Ubuntu actually gives me a choice about running updates, whether they’re just standard program updates or OS upgrades. [Go to Mac, don’t look back!](https://www.quicken.com/support/convert-data-quicken-windows-quicken-mac). Judging from the issues you describe and how it took me no time at all to find out how to migrate your files, I really think you ought to go over to OS X. You need your hand held. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/27 "2016-10-26T00:38:21Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > You really need to take a long hard look at your life. You only connect with 1 pc and for only half of every day? Are you centrifuging uranium for the Iranians or something? Remarkably, my current job actually requires me to interact with _human beings_ for most of my 8 hour work day, thus, my home computer does not need to even be switched on, much less surfing the web. What computer work I need to do at work is done on computers provided by the company. When I’m not actually using my computer for anything I \*\>gasp!\< \*_actually turn it off._ Our other two systems run computer-controlled hardware for my spouse. There is absolutely zero need for any of those systems to be connected to the internet for any reason. We set up stable systems, do regular maintenance/diagnostics, and replace components if needed but not needing internet connections on those devices actually makes things much, much easier and eliminates problems like viruses. It _doesn’t matter_ that Microsoft is no longer supporting one of the operating systems because the “security vulnerabilities” simply aren’t an issue for a computer than never talks to any other device or network. Any internet-based stuff for the home business is done on the internet-enabled computer. I know it makes fanboys such as yourself cringe, but in fact not everyone needs to be connected 24/7. This will probably blow your mind, but I don’t have a smartphone, either. And I’m fine with that. Of course, if I have a _need_ for one I’ll get one but too many people don’t understand the difference between “want” and “need”. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/28 "2016-10-26T00:46:20Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > Windows 10 improves the start menu by integrating the tabletisized part of Windows (since 8) into the start menu. It’s just a graphically rich start menu now. You know, I got along just fine when DOS was a new thing - I don’t _need_ a “graphically rich” start menu. Between being colorblind and the normal deterioration of age I’m really looking for something simpler. The heavy graphics shit is hell on those of us with less than perfect vision. It’s _less_ useful, not more. > [@](#): > > It would be nice if we lived in a world where each individual could be trusted to handle their own computer security but we don’t, so these companies act like nannies. Screw them. People learn to brush their teeth and wipe their asses after they shit, they can learn how to roll a metaphorical condom over their internet link. You know, I’ve encountered so many people with your attitude lately I’m beginning to think at least some of them are paid shills for Microsoft. Almost word-for-word the same arguments. > [@](#): > > Did you read **Broomstick** ’s post? That is weird! Remarkably enough, I recall a time before we all had computers in our homes and offices. We got stuff done back then, too. I don’t mind some of the new automation, but I don’t _need_ most of it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/29 "2016-10-26T00:49:08Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I’m surprised at people suggesting Apple is better: their model more or less forces you to upgrade because not only do they nag you to death if you don’t do so, more and more things simply stop working till you do. > > I tend to the view that MS noticed that people would put up with Apple’s shit, and so decided to adopt the same strategy. Nagging is all that Windows 7 used to do. The problem people have with Windows 10 is that it doesn’t just nag–it restarts your computer and installs the updates. Also, when you do a big version upgrade on your Mac, does it undo a lot of your changes? Because that’s what happens on Windows 10. My DPI was reset. Software gets uninstalled. Drivers that work get “upgraded” to ones that don’t. It always took a couple hours for the update, and then a couple hours to put everything back the way I had it. I’ll admit updating my Linux machine requires me to restart, but everything is exactly where it was before. And I do it when I feel like it, and it’s rather rare. My current uptime is 48 days, and no updates in sight. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/30 "2016-10-26T00:49:18Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > I didn’t read your whole post because it was boring. LOL! 😛 (there, something graphic for you)’ What are you, twelve? You can’t read three goddamned paragraphs without going “oh— shiny!” and losing interest? ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/31 "2016-10-26T01:12:13Z")
I’ll get behind people not installing updates when they become liable if their computer gets used in a bot attack. Seriously, it’s like getting a recall report because your car has bad brakes and being like, “Nah, I’m good.” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/32 "2016-10-26T03:13:50Z")
The most recent bot attack involved things like baby monitors, not laptops or tablets. How about we make people liable for ANY device used in a bot attack? Or maybe we should go after the real criminals - the ones hijacking electronics and hold them responsible. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/33 "2016-10-26T03:29:15Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > So yeah Windows forces you to install updates. It’s updating to keep the system stable and keep your shitty computer maintenance habits from affecting the rest of us. No this is incorrect. This is _part_ of what MS is doing, and there was a lot of trust in them for this reason. But MS has trashed that trust. They began to include things in updates that were more about reconfiguring software to suit them. Most recently they were deliberately misleading about updates in order to force people to go to 10, which is _less_ stable than 7, at least as an initial proposition. It’s reached the point where you have to ignore the brief update title and dig into the detail to find out what an update actually does because MS has stopped even pretending to be honest. I had a look through offered updates recently and there was something with a title that implied it was necessary for security reasons but when I read the detail it was actually an update to cause information to be sent back to MS about your system’s readiness to upgrade to 10. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/34 "2016-10-26T06:04:41Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > [Go to Mac, don’t look back!](https://www.quicken.com/support/convert-data-quicken-windows-quicken-mac). Judging from the issues you describe and how it took me no time at all to find out how to migrate your files, I really think you ought to go over to OS X. You need your hand held. There, there. I actually used to be a Microsoft apologist too. Given your ability to use a search engine, I’m confident no one will need to hold your hand when you decide to give some flavor of Linux a try. (^\_^) ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/35 "2016-10-26T06:29:52Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > WTF? Buy an Xbox One already. What is wrong with you? I have zero problems with Windows 10 (though I do think 7 was superior)… but the Xbox One was the biggest mistake I’ve ever made. A gaming console that was geared more toward multimedia, yet manages to fuck up both of those aspects regularly! I can only watch Blu rays or DVDs about 10% of the time, due to some quirk in the software. And I keep it up to date, it just doesn’t work worth a shit. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/36 "2016-10-26T11:04:41Z")
At home only my GFs laptop has Windows 10, it “upgraded” itself some months ago. I found out what she thought of it when I had to reinstall the printer after it stopped working, when I asked her log in password at first I thought that the string of four letter words directed at Microsoft was her just venting and not the actual password; considering that she never swears that was very telling. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/37 "2016-10-26T13:38:42Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Our other two systems run computer-controlled hardware for my spouse. This made me curious - what is this hardware? > [@Broomstick](#): > > This will probably blow your mind, but I don’t have a smartphone, either. It didn’t because I already knew you don’t own a smartphone. What’s it like typing a text? Let me guess: 5-5-5, 8-8,3,3,4-4-4,8,3-3! > [@Broomstick](#): > > You know, I got along just fine when DOS was a new thing - I don’t _need_ a “graphically rich” start menu. Between being colorblind and the normal deterioration of age I’m really looking for something simpler. The heavy graphics shit is hell on those of us with less than perfect vision. It’s _less_ useful, not more. That’s disappointing there are on better options for colorblindness. High constrast doesn’t help? > [@Broomstick](#): > > Screw them. People learn to brush their teeth and wipe their asses after they shit, they can learn how to roll a metaphorical condom over their internet link. You know, I’ve encountered so many people with your attitude lately I’m beginning to think at least some of them are paid shills for Microsoft. Almost word-for-word the same arguments. I’m a paid shill for realism. I admire your trust in people. In the world I live in people open every attachment that comes in their email or click on links and happily fill in their personal information. This is why MS and Apple force these updates on you: for security. The Linux people don’t have to because nobody uses Linux so Russian hackers don’t bother with it. > [@Broomstick](#): > > Remarkably enough, I recall a time before we all had computers in our homes and offices. We got stuff done back then, too. I don’t mind some of the new automation, but I don’t _need_ most of it. Oh god now you are going to say something about how great it was when computers used punch cards. > [@BigT](#): > > Also, when you do a big version upgrade on your Mac, does it undo a lot of your changes? Because that’s what happens on Windows 10. My DPI was reset. Software gets uninstalled. Drivers that work get “upgraded” to ones that don’t. It always took a couple hours for the update, and then a couple hours to put everything back the way I had it. Oh c’mon, yes the last update reset Cortana but you are exaggerating. > [@BigT](#): > > I’ll admit updating my Linux machine requires me to restart, but everything is exactly where it was before. And I do it when I feel like it, and it’s rather rare. My current uptime is 48 days, and no updates in sight. Yes, you’re drivers on the Linux are some generic most basic version that always work because they are the same legacy drivers used by every piece of hardware. > [@Broomstick](#): > > LOL! 😛 (there, something graphic for you)’ > > What are you, twelve? You can’t read three goddamned paragraphs without going “oh— shiny!” and losing interest? Did you read it? Dullsville! Wah! My computer restarted! I think I will write a novel before getting to the point! > [@Broomstick](#): > > The most recent bot attack involved things like baby monitors, not laptops or tablets. How about we make people liable for ANY device used in a bot attack? > > Or maybe we should go after the real criminals - the ones hijacking electronics and hold them responsible. See? the baby monitors didn’t have windows on them. And you offered up the least efficient approach to solving security problems, but that’s unsurprising since you love your abacus and typewriter. > [@Princhester](#): > > No this is incorrect. This is _part_ of what MS is doing, and there was a lot of trust in them for this reason. But MS has trashed that trust. They began to include things in updates that were more about reconfiguring software to suit them. … It’s reached the point where you have to ignore the brief update title and dig into the detail to find out what an update actually does because MS has stopped even pretending to be honest. I had a look through offered updates recently and there was something with a title that implied it was necessary for security reasons but when I read the detail it was actually an update to cause information to be sent back to MS about your system’s readiness to upgrade to 10. So they want people to upgrade to 10 because it’s a huge pain in the ass for companies to support legacy software. I mean there really is no bigger pain in the ass for a software company than supporting every fucking configuration possible. Their forcing these updates on you IS for stability and security. Their wanting to know system configuration information is to maximize the likelihood the way you’ve abused your pc doesn’t cause problems when they update. > [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > There, there. I actually used to be a Microsoft apologist too. Given your ability to use a search engine, I’m confident no one will need to hold your hand when you decide to give some flavor of Linux a try. (^\_^) I did, it was fine. I stopped. I’m an adult now and there is no appeal for me to spend my afternoon looking up errors on some Linux forum. > [@Kron](#): > > I have zero problems with Windows 10 (though I do think 7 was superior)… but the Xbox One was the biggest mistake I’ve ever made. A gaming console that was geared more toward multimedia, yet manages to fuck up both of those aspects regularly! I can only watch Blu rays or DVDs about 10% of the time, due to some quirk in the software. And I keep it up to date, it just doesn’t work worth a shit. You should have bought a playstation 4. It’s tremendous. Believe me. > [@Ale](#): > > At home only my GFs laptop has Windows 10, it “upgraded” itself some months ago. > I found out what she thought of it when I had to reinstall the printer after it stopped working, when I asked her log in password at first I thought that the string of four letter words directed at Microsoft was her just venting and not the actual password; considering that she never swears that was very telling. It’s not MS, it’s the manufacture of your printer. They didn’t adequately test their drivers. Whine at them. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/38 "2016-10-26T13:56:35Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I was perfectly happy with 7, but the computer broke. Now I got 10, and it sounds worse than what you are dealing with. > \*\* > Can’t say “no” to updates\*\*, and shit never seems to be right once I get into it. > > Also, the last update took almost _2 fucking hours!_ This alone makes me want to break Bill Gates’ kneecaps with a pipe. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/39 "2016-10-26T16:56:11Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > I’m a paid shill for realism. So being an asshole is voluntary? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475/40 "2016-10-26T17:16:56Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > This made me curious - what is this hardware? A lathe and two routers. Although the routers can also be converted to drawing pictures by swapping a pen for the bit, and a few other tricks. > [@](#): > > It didn’t because I already knew you don’t own a smartphone. What’s it like typing a text? Let me guess: 5-5-5, 8-8,3,3,4-4-4,8,3-3! My phone does not connect to the internet therefore texting is a non-issue. Oddly enough, I use my phone as an actual phone. > [@](#): > > That’s disappointing there are on better options for colorblindness. High constrast doesn’t help? No. Not usually. Upping the contrast on two hues of equal saturation when my retina can’t distinguish the two different colors is zero help. The truth is that most web and interface designers give jackshit consideration to those with vision that is different from the norm in any way. On average computers are becoming _less_ useful for that category of people rather than more. > [@](#): > > I’m a paid shill for realism. I admire your trust in people. In the world I live in people open every attachment that comes in their email or click on links and happily fill in their personal information. So you work in customer service, then? A help line, perhaps? > [@](#): > > This is why MS and Apple force these updates on you: for security. No, they do it to protect their own asses from lawsuits from idiots and to cut their own costs regarding legacy software. They don’t actually give a fuck about you once you hand over your money. > [@](#): > > Oh god now you are going to say something about how great it was when computers used punch cards. Nope, that sort of sucked. Ditto for reel-to-reel and cassette tape data storage. Like I said, I remember when DOS was a new thing and that was an actual improvement, as were floppy disks and internal hard drives. > [@](#): > > See? the baby monitors didn’t have windows on them. And you offered up the least efficient approach to solving security problems, but that’s unsurprising since you love your abacus and typewriter. I also like my sliderule. > [@](#): > > So they want people to upgrade to 10 because it’s a huge pain in the ass for companies to support legacy software. I mean there really is no bigger pain in the ass for a software company than supporting every fucking configuration possible. Except they don’t - Windows 98, for example, is pretty much left to twist in the wind these days, as is anything earlier. Which is why we don’t connect anything with an operating system older than Win 7.xx to the internet. > [@](#): > > Their forcing these updates on you IS for stability and security. Their wanting to know system configuration information is to maximize the likelihood the way you’ve abused your pc doesn’t cause problems when they update. Except it doesn’t stop at your system configuration - they want to track your every move on the internet for their own reason, mostly with an eye to increasing their profits whether or not it fucks over the end user. Also, to sell as much data as possible to third parties to, again, maximize their profits. All that nice, juicy data then becomes a target for hackers. Round and round. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-microsoft-anything-else-youd-like-to-jam-up-my-ass/769475.md?page=3)