Thanks Mom for Fucking Up My Credit

Something like this happened to me about two and a half years ago. When my wife and I first got married(seven years in April) her family didn’t care much for me or my capabilities as a provider. They had her put on one of their cards as an “authorized user” and gave her a card attached to one of their accounts. “For emergencies” was what came out of the front of their mouth(what came out the side was another matter entirely). Well, as it turns out, I’ve been a very good provider and she never had to use it(she actually cut it up a couple months after we were married because she didn’t feel we’d need it and she recognized that they intended it as an underhanded insult, AKA “your marriage is going to fail and you’ll have to fall back on us. No daughter of mine is going to have to be dependent on a loser like him”(that second part is pretty close to an actual quote)).

After I took the job I’ve got now, we were applying for an apartment in the area and they called us back saying “there’s a couple of issues with your credit check”. We were both totally baffled. We had excellent credit, or so we thought. We had gotten a couple of lines of credit while we were in college and had dutifully kept zero balances and no late payments. We asked for some more info on exactly what we were being held up for. The apartment manager couldn’t give us specifics, she said it was illegal to share credit report info, even to the person the report is on, she just advised that we look at our credit reports ASAP and see if we could straighten out the issues. She did mention that there was one major red flag(that would have prevented the application from going through) and a minor flag that would not be a problem.

At this point we’re racking our brains trying to figure out what these could be. We ordered credit reports, but they were going to take a few days to arrive and we wanted to be more pro-active than that. We finally remembered a time when my wife had gone to a local department store and bought a pair of shoes(about fifteen bucks) and gotten suckered into getting a credit card for the store. When she told me she had gotten one of these cards I told her it would be her responsibility to get the bill and pay it on time. Normally I handle the finances in the family, but this was a card she signed up for on her own initiative, so it was her responsibility. She knows where the checkbook is and she’s never been shy about using it. I figured it wouldn’t be a big deal.

Well, she forgot to pay it. They sent a reminder notice, then another reminder notice, and finally a collection notice. She somehow managed to mislay or forget about every single one of them. Eventually she went to the store and paid it off, but it was certainly not a good thing.

We knew that would be on our credit, but could a fifteen dollar charge, that we did pay, eventually, really hose up our credit so bad we couldn’t get an apartment? We talked over all kinds of options. Making me the sole tenant on the lease(nope, not in Texas, not if you’re married), we talked about a larger than normal security deposit, a co-signer(my mother was willing, she had done it for us for our first place when we first got married, when we had NO credit, and she knew she could trust me not to trash her credit rating by defaulting if it was at all possible to prevent it), all kinds of things.

Finally the credit reports came. Mine was pristine. Nothing, not a single carried balance, no late payments, nothing. Hers was pretty much the same, it had the department store card on it, but it also had this other thing that we were pretty sure was the major red flag. It seems her parents had defaulted on their credit card account they had made her an authorized user on. Now my in-laws have never been very good with money, and after my father-in-law died, my mother-in-law as a widow has been even worse. She pretty much lived off her credit lines after her husband died and she has yet to find a decent job(he’s been dead ~five years). As a result, she’d maxed out lots of her credit cards and defaulted on them. Her mess right? Nope, not with my wife’s name attached to the account.

We were pretty annoyed. We called the apartment complex and explained that she had never used the card she was issued and was not responsible for any of that balance. They said take it up with the credit card company and have them remove it from her credit record and they’d re-process our application. We had a lovely chat with her mom and called the credit card issuer. They traced her card and agreed that no charges had ever been made from her copy. Her mother claimed sole responsibility for the card and the defaulted balance and the credit card issuer updated her credit record to remove that account as one of the lines of credit she has.

I guess the moral of the story is, if you’re not responsible for any of that balance, try getting your mom to call the bank with you and have yourself removed from the account. Not sure if that’s possible since it was a joint account, but they may.

Enjoy,
Steven

Honestly, can you blame them? I mean, you do play Magic: The Gathering :slight_smile:

Another vote here for putting a fraud alert on your social security number with ALL the credit bureaus. This would mean that when anyone tries to apply for credit using your identity info, the account will not be approved until that person can answer several security questions–questions that you select when you put together the fraud alert with the credit bureaus. I work for a company where people can call in and apply for a credit account to purchase products from us…at least 3-4 times a day I get someone that is frauduelently trying to apply for credit.

Of course, this won’t reverse the damage that has already been done, but like several people have already said, there are things you can do to get your credit report cleared up.

I really feel for you, I have heard of parents doing this to their kids and I think it’s just sad. The worst my dad ever did to me was borrow money constantly and never pay it back.

So does she :slight_smile: Her handle on the boards is Moxmaiden.

Take that, Vool! :smiley:

Enjoy,
Steven

This is getting really depressing. :frowning:

**Mtgman,**my mother has put me and possibly my younger sister down as an authorized user for several credit cards. My mother has several disablities, mostly caused by being morbidly obese, that prevent her from walking very far. She did this so that we could use the cards when buying things for the family (groceries, clothes for ourselves or mom, etc.).

According to what happened to your wife, I may be responsible for those charges, even though I was only an authorized user?

If so, this problem is so much worse than I first thought.

Sheesh!!

:confused:

Doperchic -

At the very least, get your name off your mother’s accounts. ALL her accounts.

Regards,
Shodan

Reading the “authorized user” clauses in my credit card contracts it sure makes it look like the authorized user has no liability. Still, I know from personal experience that accounts you are only a authorized user(as opposed to a full co-signer) for DO show up on your credit report. This is not the same thing as being responsible for them though. In our case we were able to totally remove the account from my wife’s credit history without paying a penny.

If your signatures are on the receipts from some of those retailers then you’re in a different situation than we were and I’m not sure how the rules apply. My wife had never used any card attached to the account that defaulted. They had no records of her signing her name on any purchase made with those cards and her mother was willing to attest to being solely responsible for those charges.

Here are some good Q/A links about the various relationships people can have when they share a line of credit. Essentially there are two. Joint accounts and Individual accounts with authorized users. Both types report the account on everyone who uses the card’s credit history, but liability for the charges is different.

Here is a breakdown of the types from the Federal Trade Commission Probably the relevant piece(it’s mostly targeted at married couples) is this bit

So my first bit of advice would be to call each creditor being reported on your credit history and find out if you’re an authorized user or a joint account holder for that card. If you’re positive you never signed up for joint account holder status on any of these accounts then it is possible your mother committed fraud if you are listed as a joint account holder. It might depend on the legal ability of a parent to sign contracts for their children and how long you’ve been an account holder(if you were a minor when she put you on the account, she can pretty much speak for you, but it’s nearly impossible to put a minor on as a joint account holder because they aren’t considered able to sign contracts until they reach the age of majority(18 in most states)).

Also check out this Q/A session from one of the big three credit bureau’s help pages. It gives some insight into why you’re seeing this account on your history even if you’re just a authorized user and seems to confirm that you’re not responsible for the charges if you’re just an AU.

Finally, here is a walkthrough of the basic steps involved in disputing an item on your credit report. If it comes to this, and you have to actually dispute it, here is as good a place to start as I can think of. There are also links at the bottom of the page to other advice pages

All this kind of crap is exactly why I’m teaching my kids to be extremely careful with their personal info, especially the SSN. Unlike other crimes, the victim of identity theft often has to prove innocence before they can have the damage someone using thier name to get/abuse credit or other services corrected. When I lost my wallet(very long story), I was the one who had to track down all the fraudulent uses the bastard who picked it up had made and prove it wasn’t me in almost every instance. Kind of hard to stop it when it’s your mom though :frowning:

Hope some of this helps, good luck!

Enjoy,
Steven

What he said. And cheer up. It is not nearly as bad as it seems right now. It won’t hurt your chances at getting a car and probably (in realistic terms) wont end up costing you much in the long run.

Good to hear you pay your bills and are concerned about this.

(gatopescado used to do consumer credit/finance for a few years and now holds the exaulted title of “Director of Credit” and “Pinball Wizard” where he surfs the net, uh, I mean works currently)


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I would treat it as fraud, but for added satisfaction, show the same bemused indifference when she asks why you initiated an investigation. “I dunno what happened, Mom, I just told them about your simple mistakes, but they seemed upset about it. What’s for dinner?”

Aieee! I screwed up that first link. I can’t believe I did that. The page that quote is taken from is here http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/divorce.htm

Like I said, it’s targeted at married couples, specifically giving ideas of how things work when you split up. Not sure how it works with a parent/child as opposed to spouse/spouse relationships, but I don’t think it changes much.

Sorry about that :frowning:

Steven

First of all, thank you to everyone who has passd on advice, kind words, etc.

There isn’t a whole lot I can do until I get this credt report back. It should be in some time next week.

I called Mom again, trying to find out what I could. She claims that I was only put on as a joint user for one card (the one I mentioned in the OP) but she’s not sure of how many cards that I may be listed as an authorized user for. I demanded that I be immediately removed from all acounts. I want nothing at all to do with her shitty credit. Bu since she has no idea how many cards that may be, what do I do now? Can I call the credi bureau and get this information?

Even though I’m seriously pissed, I want to handle this in the least threatening way possible. She is still my mom, after all. And I have my little sister to think about. She still lives at home with Mom and any added stress to Mom will translate to added stress for my sis.

DoperChic

I hate to say it, but doesn’t it follow that if your Mom would do this to you, she’d do it to your sister eventually?

If your Mom doesn’t get Proactive quickly, I would Go after her for fraud. Even if she does act proactively, I’d still be following the advice of your fellow Dopers. Credit Companies are not out to screw someone’s credit, especially if they had nothing to do with it.

I feel your pain as well. My in-laws had awful credit. They couldn’t get a loan for a house. So they decided it would be a good idea to use Jaime’s name for the loan and his brother as a cosigner.
Jaime was 18 at the time, and he signed his name because his dad basically said “If you don’t do this, your mom and brother won’t have a place to live.”
His father then promptly defaulted on the loans.
You know what it does to your credit? He can’t even get department store cards.

After reading this thread, I am realizing that my life isn’t that bad after all…

The easiest way to tell what cards you’re on is to get a copy of your credit report. You can buy a credit report online from pretty much any of the three credit bureaus, or you can write to them for a free copy(federal law(The Fair Credit Reporting Act? don’t remember exactly) says they have to provide a free copy once a year, but they do it on a by-request basis, they don’t mail them out to you on their own). I say write them because they don’t do much of anything via phone, written communication or online is the best way to contact them.

One section of the report lists everyone who has ever extended you credit, via a card of your own, a joint account, or being an authorized user. Subtract out the accounts you got entirely on your own and voila! You’ve got the list of accounts you share with your mom. Talk to her about each one of these and then call the banks that issued them, one by one.

Enjoy,
Steven