Thanks to the non-US'ers for your patience

Moi.

“Us” obviously does not include you.

Dude. You lost. And for reasons that have been discussed to death and beyond here. Time to adjust yourself to the Brave New World.

Have you taken the time yet to realize that what just became law is essentially the Republican proposal from the early '90’s? How did it become hateful socialism for you?

RickJay, the “universal” part (if that’s what you’re wondering about) is the mandate to buy policies, along with the federally-run pool and tax subsidies to do it.

You’re welcome.
Since you guys spend more on health care research then the rest of us combined, and we essentially get the benefits for free (one of the funniest things about you not having UHC was that your tax money financed research which we got the benefits of for free without having to pay much tax towards research ourselves, allowing us to have UHC) we would just ask that you keep research levels at where they are now.

Thanks.

Jeses, watch a bunch of knob slobbering that OP s. Hey, when you are done polishing European balls with your tongue, making sure they at least give you a reach around.

Hey hey now. Don’t forget the Canadians, Japanese, Koreans and Australians too. It’s not just wicked socialist Europeans that have UHC.

My humble apologies for the oversight…

Oh and Elvis, may I suggest Advil for the lockjaw and Carmex for the chapped lips.

Universal health insurance in Canada began in 1966. The roots of the system can be traced to the Saskachewan plan, which began in 1946, but actual national policy on the matter was not enacted until '66.

As to the OP, I never really cared what the USA did about universal health care because it’s not my country and not my place to dictate other countries’ domestic policies. Of course, economically speaking universl health insurance - Canada has UHI, not UHC, if you want to be technical - is a great idea, but my vote only counts here.

Who said that it was? I merely get tired of left wing weenies kissing Euro-ass all the time, and I’m rather skeptical that Euro style UHCs are clearly better than our own system.

Ah yes, Denmark. How soon we forget.

And yet look at the extremely hostile invective spewed out by posts like yours.

How dare they not hate others as much as patriotsm demands. :mad:

Could you possibly be more of a disingenuous tool?

We do still have some things to be embarrassed about.

Yes… agreed and self-recognition is only the first step. So ya got that going for you, which is nice.

Lame. That wasn’t even invective. I totally agree with it.

I don’t hate Europe. I used to live there. That’s how I know that it has its own problems. Europe is plenty fucked up, just not necessarily in the same way as the US.

And so a system where health care research gets symied once government takes it over is better, why? So that even though we’re no longer at the vanguard of health care research as least you dimwits aren’t getting the benefit of it?

There are a great many countries benefitting from the strength and wealth and power of the United States. Many of the countries whose so-called superior health care plans and economies only enjoy them to the degree they do because they don’t have spend money militarily to keep themselves safe…or at least safe to whatever degree they are capable of…because alliances with the U.S. do the protecting for them. Other countries also benefit economically because of U.S. economic might. Who was the Euro politician again who said “When America sneezes, Europe catches a cold?”

And yes, you and other people around the world benefit from our health care research as well.

Your benefitting from U.S. power, strength, economic impact and health care research isn’t something I would be gloating over if I were you.

The US structured NATO so that the United States would be the dominant actor in the Alliance. I’m not sure why whinging about that now is suppose to engender collective guilt amongst the rest of us.

As for medical research, it’s not as if the rest of the world has been napping. Honestly the US does great things but has a tendency to fly right off the bloody handle when presented with the possibility it isn’t the exceptional culmination of human civilization it occasionally considers itself to be.

Nobody. It’s a corruption of Prince Klemens Von Metternich’s statement, “when France sneezes, Europe catches a cold”.

In any case, the point of the quote is not that Europe “benefits from American economic might”, it’s that Europe gets fucked by it. That said, Europe has been benefiting marginally from its trade surplus with the US for a couple of decades.

Well, I couldn’t find the quote by the policito I was looking for but Google turns up 419,000 hits on the phrase so it’s hardly accurate to say “nobody” says it. And interestly enough, a variation that often appears is “When America sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold”. :smiley:

Well, given the fact that the U.S. was the dominant factor in making the alliance possible (and effective) in the first place, I’m inclined to ask “So what?”

I’m not whinging about it. I’m merely pointing out that a lot of countries around the world have the luxury of being protected by U.S. military might, and this has freed up their economies to spend money on other things. I also wanted to point out to Laudenum that if not for the country from whose health care research (largely conducted by private companies, btw) he gloatingly benefits, he would very likely be goose-stepping or calling his countrymen “comrade” by now.

You asked who the European politico who said it was, so yes, it was accurate.

Yeah man. If the NIH were ever nationalized we’d be in big trouble!