# Thanks, TVeblen **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 6, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360 "2008-09-06T17:32:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/181 "2008-09-08T01:14:33Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > **Starving Artist** , **Scylla** , et. al., is the way **Carol Stream** acts toward liberals your idea of how you would like liberals to act toward you? **Frank** is the way America-haters behave the way you would like people to act towards you? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/182 "2008-09-08T01:15:53Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Maybe not, but his anti-American trolling certainly does. Ah, the smell of good will and niceness fill the air. I love the smell of civility in the morning! ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/183 "2008-09-08T01:19:17Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > **Starving Artist** , **Scylla** , et. al., is the way **Carol Stream** acts toward liberals your idea of how you would like liberals to act toward you? No. Which is why I responded as I did. **Redfury’s** location or country of habitation has no bearing on the validity of his ideas, and is not a valid or fair response. Now one for you. Do you support or condemn **Tveblens** statements towards Bricker and Myself? **Redfury’s**? My arguments will not change their behavior. What should would be the condemnation of of their fellows. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/184 "2008-09-08T01:23:14Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > **Frank** is the way America-haters behave the way you would like people to act towards you? Carol, this does not help on any number of levels. First off, it just simplistic rhetoric. It really has no constructive meaning. It’s not a rational appeal. It’s only value is in creating antagonism. If that doesn’t appeal to you consider that conservatives/Republicans are in a severe minority here and will lose in a shout down. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/185 "2008-09-08T01:27:02Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > **Frank** is the way America-haters behave the way you would like people to act towards you? I have seen nothing from you on your entire time on this board that suggests that you believe liberals in general are patriotic, America-loving people who only wish the best for their country. Your definition of America-haters seems to be simply that they do not agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/186 "2008-09-08T01:40:35Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Do you support or condemn **Tveblens** statements towards Bricker and Myself? I believe that in respect to you and **Bricker** that she is mistaken. I do believe that you both honestly believe your arguments. However, given that both of you have now and then been fairly nasty too, I’m not going to support or condemn her argument. It’s her turn to be heated; your turn in the barrel. Shit happens. None of the three of you are always heated. All of you - now and then - have shown the ability to argue reasonably, albeit passionately. None of you are **Shodan** or **gonzomax** , or, for that matter, **RedFury** or **Carol Stream**. As an aside, you know who I hope comes back with free posting? **Brutus**. There’s a conservative I liked. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/187 "2008-09-08T01:44:10Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I have seen nothing from you on your entire time on this board that suggests that you believe liberals in general are patriotic, America-loving people who only wish the best for their country. Your definition of America-haters seems to be simply that they do not agree with you. I haven’t seen any evidence that they are. Just to take one example, how is foisting entire generations of people into welfare best for our country? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/188 "2008-09-08T01:58:27Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I believe that in respect to you and **Bricker** that she is mistaken. I do believe that you both honestly believe your arguments. However, given that both of you have now and then been fairly nasty too, I’m not going to support or condemn her argument. It’s her turn to be heated; your turn in the barrel. Shit happens. I dunno. This is pretty over the top. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/189 "2008-09-08T02:04:16Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > I haven’t seen any evidence that they are. Just to take one example, how is foisting entire generations of people into welfare best for our country? **Scylla** , _please_ believe me when I say that she isn’t a secret left-wing agitator. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/190 "2008-09-08T02:08:05Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > I haven’t seen any evidence that they are. Just to take one example, how is foisting entire generations of people into welfare best for our country? Why do you believe that it was a deliberate plan to destroy our country? Why don’t you believe that it was done in good faith? Do you believe that Republican governments have never made mistakes, or done something that turned out to have unforeseen consequences? And, mistake or not, at least kids got fed. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/191 "2008-09-08T02:12:11Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I dunno. This is pretty over the top. > > Thanks. I understand your disappointment with my reply. I’m not sure I can explain it any better right now. You’ve been over the top. So has **Bricker**. So has **TVeblen**. So have I. I’m not going to, in general, jump on posters who lose it now and then. I have problems with the posters who are terminally fruitcake. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/192 "2008-09-08T02:14:48Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Why do you believe that it was a deliberate plan to destroy our country? Why don’t you believe that it was done in good faith? Lots of things get done “in good faith”, including plenty of really bad ones. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/193 "2008-09-08T02:15:18Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > No. Which is why I responded as I did. **Redfury’s** location or country of habitation has no bearing on the validity of his ideas, and is not a valid or fair response. No, that would have been a respectable response. What you said was “I don’t think it’s his location that devalues his opinion.” That’s a snarky piece of shit response, implying that his opinion is devalued by something else. You’re simply Eddie Haskell without the charm and wit. Or the conscience and empathy. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/194 "2008-09-08T02:21:26Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Personally, I’d rather hang out with my Bud, Marcus Aurelius: > > “If you are pained by external things, it is not they that disturb you, but your own estimate of them. It is within your power to revoke that estimate at any time.” I just gotta know - did your bud Marcus say this after you tried out waterboarding on him? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/195 "2008-09-08T02:29:59Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Lots of things get done “in good faith”, including plenty of really bad ones. Are you ignoring my point, or are you simply too dense to understand it? You seem to believe that liberals are deliberately attempting to destroy the country. Some liberals seem to believe that conservatives are deliberately attempting to destroy the country. What’s the difference between you and them? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/196 "2008-09-08T02:30:31Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I just gotta know - did your bud Marcus say this after you tried out waterboarding on him? In all fairness to MA he meant “pained” as in unsettled. The translation isn’t all that hot ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/197 "2008-09-08T02:32:09Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > In all fairness to MA he meant “pained” as in unsettled. The translation isn’t all that hot What did you use as your ‘safe’ word? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/198 "2008-09-08T02:32:40Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Are you ignoring my point, or are you simply too dense to understand it? > > You seem to believe that liberals are deliberately attempting to destroy the country. Some liberals seem to believe that conservatives are deliberately attempting to destroy the country. What’s the difference between you and them? No, I don’t _necessarily_ think that liberals are out to destroy the country. Just that they are doing a pretty good job of it. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/199 "2008-09-08T02:42:17Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No, that would have been a respectable response. > > What you said was “I don’t think it’s his location that devalues his opinion.” That’s a snarky piece of shit response, implying that his opinion is devalued by something else. You figured that out by yourself? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360/200 "2008-09-08T02:43:20Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > No, I don’t _necessarily_ think that liberals are out to destroy the country. Just that they are doing a pretty good job of it. By contrast to the last 7.8 years, that is? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thanks-tveblen/462360.md?page=11)