# Thankyou George W. Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 12, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091 "2011-02-12T01:56:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/61 "2011-02-13T02:01:25Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > What I cannot wait to see is how fast all the liberals praising Obama for the recent events in Egypt do a 180 and blame Bush if it turns out Egypt democratically elects a theologically-based government that makes Iran look like atheistic peace hippies. Who’s praising Obama for what’s happening in Egypt? Near as I can tell, he’s watching it unfold the way the rest of us are. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/62 "2011-02-13T02:09:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You would actually look _forward_ to Egypt turning into an oppressive theocracy, just to say “I told you so”? Where did I say that? Dollars to donuts, though, _if_ it came to pass there’d be a Pit Thread (excuse me, _another_ Pit Thread) about 1 minute after it hit the news, started by and posted to by most of the same people praising Obama for the wonderful events taking place in Egypt right now, on W for the wonderful mess in Egypt due to _his_ inept foreign policy. And yes, I would take a certain amount of amusement from that thread, in a “Oh fuck, I cannot believe the utter hypocrisy and total horeshit these stupid cocksuckers not only shovel, but swallow whole” kind of vibe. As far as taking pleasure from an unfortunate turn of events (from our POV) in Egypt, well, _as I described it_, that _would_ be democracy in action. Wouldn’t it? And that’s _always_ a pleasure to watch. Oh. Wait… ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/63 "2011-02-13T02:15:50Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I deliberately avoided GD, because I was well aware that I am not equiped to adequately back up my opinion. What I’ve said is simply how I feel. > > I might add that the Obama administration, Cairo speech at el, is just as significant if not more than the Bush administration for the new wave of middle east peoples, starting with Iran, having the guts to challenge illegitimate authority with the hope for democracy in the future. > > Clearly we are in a new phase of middle east history. > > History always follows a timeline and consequences result for every action often quite subtle and often not immediate. That is my opinion as well. I _feel_ like taking a dump. However, I’m not going to start a thread about it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/64 "2011-02-13T02:18:02Z")
Responding to **ExTank** : Whereas I would feel sadness at what had developed. It doesn’t fucking matter who is in power when people get hurt, you shouldn’t feel anything but bad. Dude, when you get so damn partisan that pain brings you pleasure, it’s way past time to hang it up. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/65 "2011-02-13T02:20:05Z")
I, too, don’t see a whole bunch of people praising Obama over Egypt. He didn’t really do anything publicly other than gently push Mubarak out. He knew how things were going and stayed out of it. He just let it happen. What I have seen a lot of is the right trying to blame Obama, but just not being able to come up with anything to say. All of the high profile speeches by potential candidates at CPAC had nary a mention of Egypt, only the biggest story in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/66 "2011-02-13T02:23:30Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > What I cannot wait to see is how fast all the liberals praising Obama for the recent events in Egypt do a 180 and blame Bush if it turns out Egypt democratically elects a theologically-based government that makes Iran look like atheistic peace hippies. What liberals are praising him about anything? Liberals typically despise Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/67 "2011-02-13T02:29:15Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > What liberals are praising him about anything? Liberals typically despise Obama. Here’s a thought: If y’all really want to know how liberals feel about the President, you could give a listen to a liberal or two, instead of getting it 2nd and 3rd hand from your favorite commentators. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/68 "2011-02-13T02:37:15Z")
Neither Bush nor Obama deserves any particular credit or blame for either recent or soon-forthcoming events in Egypt. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/69 "2011-02-13T02:38:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Here’s a thought: If y’all really want to know how liberals feel about the President, you could give a listen to a liberal or two, instead of getting it 2nd and 3rd hand from your favorite commentators. What “favorite commentators”? I get my opinion of liberals from “a liberal or two” (or three, or four, or…), all of whom despise Obama as a right winger, a suck-up to the Republicans, and someone who has shielded Bush and continued Bush’s policies. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/70 "2011-02-13T02:39:58Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > What “favorite commentators”? I get my opinion of liberals from “a liberal or two” (or three, or four, or…), all of whom despise Obama as a right winger, a suck-up to the Republicans, and someone who has shielded Bush and continued Bush’s policies. I was adding to your post, not disagreeing with it. Sorry about the misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/71 "2011-02-13T02:45:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I was adding to your post, not disagreeing with it. Sorry about the misunderstanding. OK. ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/72 "2011-02-13T02:51:36Z")
The internet and cell phones get the credit. Bush deserves about as much credit as Obama deserving the Nobel Peace prize. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/73 "2011-02-13T02:58:52Z")
The jury on Egypt is out. They now have a state run by the army. Most of those who the experts pick to be the future leader are in the army. How does that equal a democracy. They do not have a constitution that gives the people rights. They do not have a government that sets up input for the people. Perhaps what is meant, is a government run by the army is what Bush wanted the middle east to have. Then we may be off and running. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/74 "2011-02-13T03:38:17Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > The internet and cell phones get the credit. Aha. So the credit properly should go to Al Gore. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/75 "2011-02-13T03:38:57Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > Dollars to donuts, though, _if_ it came to pass there’d be a Pit Thread (excuse me, _another_ Pit Thread) about 1 minute after it hit the news, started by and posted to by most of the same people praising Obama for the wonderful events taking place in Egypt right now, on W for the wonderful mess in Egypt due to _his_ inept foreign policy. > > And yes, I would take a certain amount of amusement from that thread, in a “Oh fuck, I cannot believe the utter hypocrisy and total horeshit these stupid cocksuckers not only shovel, but swallow whole” kind of vibe. On the subject of hypocrisy, why are you complaining about how Obama is getting credit for what’s happening in the Middle East in a thread titled “Thank You, George Bush”? Shouldn’t you be in some thread titled “Thank You, Barack Obama”? ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/76 "2011-02-13T03:46:54Z")
> [@tom scud](#): > > aha. So the credit properly should go to al gore. Noooo! :d ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/77 "2011-02-13T03:54:49Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > Neither Bush nor Obama deserves any particular credit or blame for either recent or soon-forthcoming events in Egypt. How dare you bring rationality into this discussion! Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/78 "2011-02-13T04:11:18Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Aha. So the credit properly should go to Al Gore. That never gets old, does it? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/79 "2011-02-13T06:47:56Z")
"The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do what they please: we ought to see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations, which may be soon turned into complaints… "very plausible schemes, with very pleasing commencements, have often shameful and lamentable conclusions. " - Edmund Burke, from On the Revolution in France I will not celebrate the Egyptian Revolution until I get a better idea of where it is going. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091/80 "2011-02-13T06:54:48Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > Neither Bush nor Obama deserves any particular credit or blame for either recent or soon-forthcoming events in Egypt. wmfellows summed it up nicely in post 30. > [@wmfellows](#): > > I very much doubt yet another American president yammering on about democracy while continuing to fund the regime to a tune of US$1 billion plus had any particular effect on Egyptians. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Democracy in Egypt. Big deal. I’m more impressed with how the Chinese government renounced communism and held open elections. In 2019. An event I am crediting with what Barack Obama is doing now. Amateur. The shot I just took will kill thousands of Americans before the day is over. I only use my powers for evil. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thankyou-george-w-bush/571091.md?page=5)