# Thansgiving Lion game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 27, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720 "2008-11-27T17:57:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/41 "2008-11-28T14:30:16Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Bah, you are an expansion team. You didn’t even start playing in the NFL until 1930 and you weren’t in Detroit until '34. 😃 > The REAL old time teams would be upset at such ineptitude, but you Johnny-come-latelys can’t be expected to uphold the high standards of, say, my Packers. 😉 Um.. One of the real old time teams has a grand history of suck. Let me introduce to you The Racine Cardinals, better known as the Chicago Cardinals [Chicago Cardinals](http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/azchi/cardschi.html) We all know they now reside in Arizona. Who played like crap last night. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/42 "2008-11-28T14:45:58Z")
> [@Osip](#): > > Um.. One of the real old time teams has a grand history of suck. > > Let me introduce to you The Racine Cardinals, better known as the Chicago Cardinals [Chicago Cardinals](http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/azchi/cardschi.html) > > We all know they now reside in Arizona. Who played like crap last night. Cardinals vs. Lions all-time record! What is it? ---
**Author:** ![davidw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@davidw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidw)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/43 "2008-11-28T14:50:12Z")
Seriously, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 60 yard touchdown run where the runner wasn’t touched once by the defense. That was just astounding. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/44 "2008-11-28T16:13:00Z")
> [@davidw](#): > > Seriously, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 60 yard touchdown run where the runner wasn’t touched once by the defense. That was just astounding. Especially when they claim to be drafting for speed. I am beginning to think when they say the player they drafted has great speed,he is selling it for 20 bucks per hundred. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/45 "2008-11-28T16:31:55Z")
Old pic but so true! [Lions Blow](http://cdn.faniq.com/images/photos/photo_large/85/59785-20.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/46 "2008-11-28T18:05:52Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > Cardinals vs. Lions all-time record! What is it? Arizona Cards from 1920 to2007 Arizona all time record is 466-668-39 regular season and 2-5 in the playoffs Detroit Lions from 1930 thru 2007 Detroit all time record is 488-562-32 regular season and 7-10 in the playoffs. Arizona is creditied with 2 NFl Championships 1925,1947 Detroit is credited with 4 NFL Championships 1957,1953,1952,1935 Arizona playoff record since 1988 (20 years) played 2 games in 1998 winning one against the cowboys and losing to th Vikings. Detroit playoff record since 1988 (20 years) Detroit played 7 games winning one in 1991 against the cowboys. So, data shows The Cardinals sucked more! Millen has did his best to even out the level of suck, he was just fired to soon _smile_ Osip ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/47 "2008-11-28T18:22:17Z")
> [@Osip](#): > > Arizona Cards > > from 1920 to2007 > > Arizona all time record is 466-668-39 regular season and 2-5 in the playoffs > > Detroit Lions > > from 1930 thru 2007 > > Detroit all time record is 488-562-32 regular season and 7-10 in the playoffs. > > Arizona is creditied with 2 NFl Championships 1925,1947 > > Detroit is credited with 4 NFL Championships 1957,1953,1952,1935 > > Arizona playoff record since 1988 (20 years) played 2 games in 1998 winning one against the cowboys and losing to th Vikings. > > Detroit playoff record since 1988 (20 years) Detroit played 7 games winning one in 1991 against the cowboys. > > So, data shows The Cardinals sucked more! > > Millen has did his best to even out the level of suck, he was just fired to soon _smile_ > > Osip Nice list but I meant head to head. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/48 "2008-11-28T18:35:51Z")
> [@Osip](#): > > Millen has did his best to even out the level of suck, he was just fired to soon _smile_ “Too soon?” The 2008 season is Millen’s _Sgt. Pepper’s_, his Sistine Chapel. This season for the Lions is the pyramid of Khufu of suck. Future teams and general managers may look at this season for centuries and wonder “How did they do that? Could aliens have been involved, or were some of the scouts and coaches slaves who were forced to work for the team against their will?” Millen had to be fired this year. There’s no way he could’ve topped this. Next year they’d probably manage to win a game by accident, but this year is a temple of awful and they may really go winless. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/49 "2008-11-28T19:26:01Z")
> [@Osip](#): > > Detroit is credited with 4 NFL Championships 1957,1953,1952,1935 Heh. 1957 was the last time Detroit built a decent car, too! > [@](#): > > Next year they’d probably manage to win a game by accident, but this year is a temple of awful and they may really go winless. Oddly enough, next year’s Lions team would be a terrific blank canvas for a new GM and coaching staff. They have 3-4 quality pieces to build around, and they don’t have any veteran players with big contracts. Shaun Rogers was the highest paid defensive player, and his cap number will be off the books, as will the remainder of Dre’ Bly’s contract (which was still on the books this year because of cap wiggling). I say this quite honestly - if I were a GM candidate, I would _love_ the Detroit job. You get five years guaranteed no matter how bad your record is, you have no salary cap issues whatsoever, and an assload of high draft picks in a draft where the fans won’t be screaming for a quarterback ('cause there isn’t one). Plus, imagine your legacy if you turned around THAT team. If you got to 8-8 you’d be one of the greatest rebuilders in NFL history, like Dungy/McKay, Parcells, Marvin Lewis, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/50 "2008-11-28T19:35:45Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > Nice list but I meant head to head. Since 1930 the Lions have a 19-9-3 record over the Chicago Cards a 5-4 record over the St Louis Cards and a 2-4 over the Arizona Cards. total since 1930: 26-17-3 all time head to head. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/51 "2008-11-28T19:43:06Z")
> [@Osip](#): > > Since 1930 the Lions have > a 19-9-3 record over the Chicago Cards > a 5-4 record over the St Louis Cards > and a 2-4 over the Arizona Cards. > > total since 1930: 26-17-3 all time head to head. Thanks..Is there a certain site you like for your info? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/52 "2008-11-28T19:44:49Z")
I think they can build around Culpepper. He has not impressed yet,but he may buy them a few years of adequacy. For the Lions that is a high bar.He may be better than that. It is all about next years draft. We have to be able to protect the QBs. Ours take a terrible beating. They will have to draft an offensive lineman too high and overpay. Maybe they draft 2 of them. But it is a crying need. The defense is bad but not as bad as it looks. They are on the field for the whole game. They have played a couple decent games. The Lions got 6 first downs the whole game. The defense may as well just stay out there. They will be blacked out the rest of the year. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/53 "2008-11-28T19:48:51Z")
Here’s a list of free agent offensive linemen for the upcoming offseason: > **[2009 NFL Free Agents: OL](http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/ol.html)** > > Complete coverage of 2009 NFL Free Agents OL Jordan Gross would be a terrific investment. He’s only 28, and has been very solid for the Panthers at both tackle spots. ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/54 "2008-11-28T21:31:04Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > Thanks..Is there a certain site you like for your info? yeah I got that off of the Lions home page: In fact you can look at the Lions head to head record with every team in the NFL. [http://www.detroitlions.com/document\_display.cfm?cont\_id=46079](http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=46079) ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/55 "2008-11-29T04:06:02Z")
> [@Osip](#): > > Um.. One of the real old time teams has a grand history of suck. > > Let me introduce to you The Racine Cardinals, better known as the Chicago Cardinals [Chicago Cardinals](http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/azchi/cardschi.html) > > We all know they now reside in Arizona. Who played like crap last night. The Arizona Cardinals are going to the playoffs this year. The Detroit Lions will be going to the NFL draft with the #1 pick. Go Cards! ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/56 "2008-11-29T05:53:07Z")
Please. Trade the pick. Please. ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/57 "2008-11-29T15:58:38Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > The Arizona Cardinals are going to the playoffs this year. The Detroit Lions will be going to the NFL draft with the #1 pick. > > Go Cards! Oh I am happy they (the Cards) are going to the playoffs. I have been a long suffering Cards fan. In fact, I think they even have a chance to win their first playoff game in 10 years. Depends on who comes to town. I just do not see them getting to much further than the first round of the playoff. Detroit has sucked for a while now, after many years of mediocre play. I think with the right GM and Coach they are one or two years away from average to good. Detroit reminds me of Arizona a few years ago under Dennis Green, A good set of WRs a serviceable RB and a few very talented defensive players, needing a supporting cast. Detroit has some good players. Their defense is poor because they cant get off the field. Culpepper is doing ok at QB. Considering the time he has had to study the play book. Culpepper can be a good QB once he gets the system down. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/58 "2008-11-29T18:41:34Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > Please. Trade the pick. Please. Jeez..you dont want Tebow?He will probably enter the draft this year. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/59 "2008-11-30T00:58:10Z")
Why Tebow? I usually find a QB playing for a highly rated team in college,is a pro disappointment. The difference between good and poor teams in college is large. They often fatten up stats on the lowly rated teams that are parts of all good teams schedules nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2008, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720/60 "2008-11-30T00:59:28Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > Jeez..you dont want Tebow?He will probably enter the draft this year. No fucking way. We already had Andre Ware once. Trade the pick. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thansgiving-lion-game/474720.md?page=4)