# That WAS a Ferrari Enzo! You unmitigated bastard! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 28, 2007, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760 "2007-03-28T00:11:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/41 "2007-03-28T05:49:47Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] I’d like some Cheez Doodles. Thanks 🙂 [/QUOTE] Dude! We’re out of fuckin’ toilet paper and you know it! You and your damn doodles! I hope you like having a bright orange butthole, cuz you’re wipin’ your ass with those cheez doodles for the next two weeks! Also, would it kill you to let the dog out every once in a while? I’m sick of him shitting on my pillow. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/42 "2007-03-28T05:55:23Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] If you say so. [/QUOTE] I do. And you should listen, because I’m the smart one, remember? I did my 4 years and got _out_. [QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] A tired, shopworn, obnoxious, patently ridiculous joke. Which, I might add, isn’t even funny. [/QUOTE] You’re right, of course. Nobody would ever buy a $1.5 mil automobile to _impress_ anybody. They’re aesthetes, driven only by their pursuit of truth and beauty. Hell, anybody who’s willing to shell out that kind of cash for a commodity is obviously Yea Righteous, and could probably teach us all the Eightfold Path in between massage sessions. And to crash such a work of art as a publicity stunt only proves that this guy’s really not attached to anything as crass as status or material possessions. [QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] If you had stuck with that I might not have troubled myself. Post 6 demonstrates that you are perfectly capable of making asinine but innocuous posts. Your second effort demonstrated a concerted effort at calling attention to your inanity. I gave you the attention you obviously wanted, and now you’re mad at me? I’d rather you just thanked me for it. [/QUOTE] Oh, well, then thank you for feeding my attention whoring, Mr. 5,000-more-posts-than-I’ve-made-in-less-time. I was worried that by keeping mine asinine and innocuous you might somehow overlook me. [QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] Sure thing. You need anything while I’m out? [/QUOTE] No thanks. I can’t eat that second-rate Commissary crap. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/43 "2007-03-28T05:57:08Z")
[QUOTE=dnooman] Also, would it kill you to let the dog out every once in a while? I’m sick of him shitting on my pillow. [/QUOTE] 😕😕😕 ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/44 "2007-03-28T06:14:02Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] 😕😕😕 [/QUOTE] Fine. No joking. Funny that only half of my post created confusion though. I’ll grow up and be serious for a moment. Only for a moment though. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/45 "2007-03-28T06:43:20Z")
[QUOTE=dnooman] True the world is not _necessarily_ out an Enzo, however, how many people that are willing to pay that much for a car want one that has been wrecked? It’s intrinsic value is less, no way this event makes up for that type of value. [/QUOTE] I have faith that there are at least as many people willing to pay for the one that was all over the news when Eddie Griffin wrecked it. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/46 "2007-03-28T07:34:33Z")
[QUOTE=iamthewalrus(:3=] I have faith that there are at least as many people willing to pay for the one that was all over the news when Eddie Griffin wrecked it. [/QUOTE] So the car has either the same or increased value? This is a high performance machine, an investment. It is not a grilled cheese sandwich with the likeness of Jesus on it. It is not a pair of Britney Spears’ used panties. Let’s say that it is “only” a million dollar car after repairs. The guy with the dough to buy a million dollar car wants to buy “the one that that guy Eddie Griffin, you know, the guy that played “Undercover Brother”, oh come on, you know this guy. He’s been in lots of stuff. I don’t know what you might have seen him in. Trust me, you have seen him before. Anyways, he crashed this very car in '07. Seriously, I know. Can you believe that I bought it? It’s like totally a piece of history or something. Yeah, the movie was called _Redline_, some crappy straight-to-DVD bullshit. Yes. One million dollars. It was a total steal, refurbished. Those are the best for collectors.” Come on. > [@iamthewalrus(:3=](#): > > I have faith that there are at least as many people willing to pay for the one that was all over the news when Eddie Griffin wrecked it. Willing to pay what? Camp collectors can’t afford this sort of thing, that is assuming that the car is actually repaired. I assume the car will be repaired instead of scrapped, but to think that it would retain its same value is lunacy. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/47 "2007-03-28T08:21:53Z")
Boy, there’s a lot of reverse snobbishness on this board–“I would never get upset about something as declasse as a sports car.” A finely tuned, beautifully engineered automobile can be as much a thing of awe and beauty as a sculpture or a painting. Some cars are great works of art and engineering, and I wince when I see them destroyed just as I would wince if I saw someone accidentally destroying a fine work of art. I guess some of us are afraid that if we admit we admire sports cars, we might be thought to be NASCAR fans or something horrible like that! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/48 "2007-03-28T10:15:10Z")
It was the man’s property. He loaned it willingly. He is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/49 "2007-03-28T13:52:18Z")
[QUOTE=scr4] Sure. But this car is just a rich man’s toy. “1 of 400” is hardly unique, and since it was recognized as a collectible item from the beginning, most of them will survive for a long time. I just can’t get worked up about one of them being destroyed. Many truly unique artifacts are destroyed every day, without anyone noticing or even recognizing its value. [/QUOTE] I, personally, have no problem at all saying that this is a shame \*and \*all those other losses are a shame. I have more than enough room in my heart for a minor moment of regret over the loss of seemingly infinite objects. Just not a zero-sum game for me, I suppose. I’m not sure why the fact that it belonged to a rich man should make me more callous about it, can you explain that? It’s not like it was a gold-plated toilet. Well-made cars are triumphs of human engineering, design, innovation, industry, culture…I’m not into them myself, I don’t even drive, but I can see that a really nice car is like a really nice sculpture you can go a billion miles an hour in. That doesn’t sound like a worthless trinket to me. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/50 "2007-03-28T14:08:32Z")
[QUOTE=Ensign Edison] Okay, granted, in this case there would be 399 others, but the point is, presumably you do think some objects are worth noting the absence of when destroyed. [/QUOTE] Actully, it is 398 others. [This site](http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/more-on-the-enzo-incident-on-pch-with-photos-156121.php) has pictures of what is left of another one that crashed. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/51 "2007-03-28T14:11:54Z")
It’s kind of ugly. But then, I never could get into these pasta-burners. I don’t think it was a stunt, based on Eddie’s reaction- he looks like a guy who has fucked up. His heart is pounding. He’s a great stage comedian so he can fake control- but that guy looks like he’s bombing. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/52 "2007-03-28T14:32:07Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] It was the man’s property. He loaned it willingly. He is an idiot. [/QUOTE] Ha! I called it waaaaay before you. So, ha, I say! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/53 "2007-03-28T14:34:10Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Ha! I called it waaaaay before you. So, ha, I say! [/QUOTE] Damn. Global warmin’ done froze hell over. 😛 We are of like mind. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/54 "2007-03-28T15:04:10Z")
[QUOTE=dnooman] Willing to pay what? Camp collectors can’t afford this sort of thing, that is assuming that the car is actually repaired. I assume the car will be repaired instead of scrapped, but to think that it would retain its same value is lunacy. [/QUOTE] I admit: seeing my own words in print two more times has convinced me of their foolishness. Do you really think it’s that fantastic that a brush with celebrity could add value to an item? Or is it that you don’t personally think much of Mr. Griffin, and thus anyone who might must be an uncultured boor, incapable of appreciating the beauty of a fine automobile, or of even competently explaining what happened. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/55 "2007-03-28T15:08:56Z")
Would it be extremely hard to simply recreate the look of the Enzo with a different frame/guts? A (relatively) cheap reproduction to serve as the basis of a news story? Not that I think it’s a fraud, but it would be clever. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/56 "2007-03-28T15:13:15Z")
[QUOTE=stolichnaya] Would it be extremely hard to simply recreate the look of the Enzo with a different frame/guts? A (relatively) cheap reproduction to serve as the basis of a news story? [/QUOTE] Not at all. They do it all the time for film. They recreate cars that don’t exist anymore, cars that are waaaay too expensive or rare to destroy and cars that don’t even exist at all. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/57 "2007-03-28T15:16:24Z")
There was a guy who called into the Kevin and Bean show on the radio here in L.A. this morning who said he worked on the movie in the FX department. He said that there were 4 replicas made for the movie and he suspected that this was one of them, but he couldn’t say for sure. Anyway, take it for what it’s worth, some random guy calls radio show with this claim. ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/58 "2007-03-28T15:18:46Z")
“I want to wear your mother fucking engine…” ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/59 "2007-03-28T16:11:13Z")
[QUOTE=Ensign Edison] I’m not sure why the fact that it belonged to a rich man should make me more callous about it, can you explain that? [/quote] I didn’t say it should make _you_ more callous about it. I just said _I_ don’t feel emotional about it. And when I said “rich man’s toy”, it’s the “toy” part that makes me care less about it. > [@](#): > > but I can see that a really nice car is like a really nice sculpture you can go a billion miles an hour in. If it’s a sculpture, it’s one of 400 made from the original mold. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760/60 "2007-03-28T16:13:43Z")
[QUOTE=scr4] I didn’t say it should make _you_ more callous about it. I just said _I_ don’t feel emotional about it. And when I said “rich man’s toy”, it’s the “toy” part that makes me care less about it. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure that makes it any better. If he’d borrowed a little boy’s plastic truck and smashed it to bits, he’d still be an asshole. The only difference is that the boy wouldn’t be an idiot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-was-a-ferrari-enzo-you-unmitigated-bastard/397760.md?page=4)