# That wasn't "theadshitting" Marely23 **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 22, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476 "2013-09-22T22:57:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/61 "2013-09-24T20:39:08Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > You’re the one making the claim, why do we have to dig for your cites? > > In other words, you said “have been provided” vaguely, as if they were provided directly in this thread. Now you’re telling us they have been provided by going to a linked thread, and then hunting through it for the links that you think prove your point. That’s not the same thing. I said they were provided. They were. No hunting or digging is needed. The link **Shodan** provided takes you directly to them-- they are in the OP of that thread, not scattered about in the thread. Click, click and you’re there. That’s “hunting”? But if your looking for an excuse, any excuse, to be a **Der Trihs** apologist, I guess that will do… ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/62 "2013-09-24T22:06:02Z")
I am not in any way an apologist for **Der Trihs**. I am pointing out that you were less than clear on where those links could be found. I do agree with **Der Trihs** (and **BigT** ) about one thing: the specific post that started this thread was not _threadshitting_ as that term is normally used on this board. It was, however, a hijack, an unfair representation of **Bricker** ’s position, an unnecessarily vitriolic comment only intended to inflame, and a textbook case of being a jerk. So debating over the name of the rule violation is worthless noise, the Warning was fully justified and well due. The fact that some people have a longstanding dispute with the moderators over how **Der Trihs** has been moderated (or not) in the past does not change one iota the validity of this act of moderation, and the continued bitching and whining is this thread is pathetic and, IMO, counterproductive. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/63 "2013-09-24T22:59:33Z")
Solid and fair moderating. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/64 "2013-09-25T04:34:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Solid and fair moderating. 🆒 I’d call it squishy but just. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/65 "2013-09-25T10:29:13Z")
Generally I feel that Der T argues cleanly and uncompromisingly, but the comments in question were dirty and the defense of them deluded. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/66 "2013-09-25T13:33:44Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > Generally I feel that Der T argues cleanly and uncompromisingly, but the comments in question were dirty and the defense of them deluded. I’m not sure what your intent is with the reference to “clear and uncompromising”, but those attributes are not at all in conflict with “dirty”. “Fuck you, you goat raping bastard. I won’t change my mind no matter what facts you shit out of your moth” is clear and uncompromising. The attributes that lead to reasoned debate are “fact based arguments and a willingness to change one’s position when presented with new facts, as well as a willingness to admit error”. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/67 "2013-09-25T14:41:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not sure what your intent is with the reference to “clear and uncompromising”, but those attributes are not at all in conflict with “dirty”. > > “Fuck you, you goat raping bastard. I won’t change my mind no matter what facts you shit out of your moth” is clear and uncompromising. > > The attributes that lead to reasoned debate are “fact based arguments and a willingness to change one’s position when presented with new facts, as well as a willingness to admit error”. My moth is shitting facts again? I think there’s an ointment for that, hold on… ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/68 "2013-09-25T14:43:32Z")
If I had a moth that could shit facts, I’m sure all my arguments would fly. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/69 "2013-09-25T14:56:18Z")
Hey, if moths had wings, they could fly! ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/70 "2013-09-25T16:49:31Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > Generally I feel that Der T argues cleanly and uncompromisingly So does a five-year-old who wants Fudgesicles for dinner. Intransigence is not always a virtue. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/71 "2013-09-25T21:01:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not sure what your intent is with the reference to “clear and uncompromising”, but those attributes are not at all in conflict with “dirty”. Actually, he said “_cleanly_ and uncompromisingly”, so that kinda is at odds with “dirty”. Not that anybody has to agree with his opinion of Der T’s posts. (Der T - I like that. Say it out loud. Go ahead, I’ll wait.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/72 "2013-09-25T22:08:41Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Actually, he said “_cleanly_ and uncompromisingly”, so that kinda is at odds with “dirty”. You know who else valued cleanliness? OK, we can close the thread now! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/73 "2013-09-25T22:20:10Z")
Alf? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/74 "2013-09-25T23:10:15Z")
Rather than pursuing jugulars, I’m going to move on. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > The attributes that lead to reasoned debate are “fact based arguments and a willingness to change one’s position when presented with new facts, as well as a willingness to admit error”. Good formulation. I would emphasize, “Incorporating new and possibly conflicting facts, as opposed to deflecting them.” That’s often what separates the strongest posts from the rest. Deflection is easy. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/75 "2013-09-25T23:52:19Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You know who else valued cleanliness? Mr. Clean? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/76 "2013-09-26T00:14:40Z")
God sure didn’t, always intruding on his space. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/77 "2013-09-26T04:55:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Mr. Clean? [No.](http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0oGdXD8vUNSDSgAGuhXNyoA?p=brawny+paper+towels&fr=uh3_my_web_gs&fr2=piv-web) ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/78 "2013-09-26T15:12:11Z")
I thought you were sarcastically Godwinizing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476/79 "2013-09-26T22:41:05Z")
> [@Leo\_Bloom](#): > > I thought you were sarcastically Godwinizing. I was. But **Miller** threw me a curveball and I had to improvise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-wasnt-theadshitting-marely23/669476.md?page=3)