# That's it--I've had enough! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2001, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503 "2001-04-19T05:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2001, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/41 "2001-04-21T04:45:21Z")
I just want to know why no one’s started an ‘Ask the in love couple’ thread yet ? …is that the time ? -----_whoosh_-----\> ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2001, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/42 "2001-04-21T05:30:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by evilbeth \* > **friedo** , bite me! 😉 WIth pleasure! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2001, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/43 "2001-04-21T23:53:12Z")
Evilbeth, I’ve long admired you here, and the OP proves yet again that you are somekinda right-on-time Goddess. Scotti: You’ve said anything I could say better. “biffling off dredge”? Man, yer so lovely! And Most of All… Thinksnow: I can’t let your post pass without acknowledging your great kindness. You label it “reasonability”, but you must have a great depth of heart to reason that way. I hope that every time you choose that kindness over negativity comes back to you in the most beautiful way. You are an exceptionally fine bein’. Buenos huevos! ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2001, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/44 "2001-04-22T00:53:32Z")
Not even two cents’ worth, believe me… Count me in with the folks who can be perfectly happy (for, you know, ten whole seconds) and still find lovey-dovey - or any other - o/t crap remarkably irksome. As an example…on MORE than one occasion, Uncle Bill and hypergrrl have briefly spasmed and glorped their insipid flirting on each other in a completely non-flirting related thread. (If anyone wants an example, I’ll go find one.) To her credit, the couple of times hypergrrl has done this she has called attention to the fact that the flirtatious episode was off-topic, and proceeded to at least APPEND the flirt with a relatively on-topic remark. As tired as I’ve gotten of watching them flirt (and those who have noted my apparent lack of self-control as of a few weeks ago will note that I haven’t said a WORD about this one until now…so poop on all of your vulturous heads), I actually find it **perfectly acceptable** \*. It’s almost like a [hijack] [/hijack] tag, only in reverse. “Hama…Hama…you should never post when you’re not sober…you’re babbling.” “Damn you, I HAVE a point!” “So get to it, already. :rolleyes:” _deep breath_ Anyhow…more than once I’ve remarked on lovey-dovey (or otherwise annoying (to me)) stuff. I’m not going to apologize for it, either. Well, let me amend that. If a poster **to whom I was not referring** gets up in my shit like a hippie searching for mushrooms, I’m not apologizing. If one of the posters to whom I was referring asks me why I’m being the spoonerism for a cunning runt, I will be more than willing to listen and reconsider. Agh, this is going nowhere. Feed my ego! Read my posts! :rolleyes: Could I be any less coherent? - Because my approval is required for ALL post content, obviously. :rolleyes: [sub]there’s a very good reason the :rolleyes: smiley is my very very faaaaaavorite.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Cerowyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@Cerowyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerowyn)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2001, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/45 "2001-04-22T01:52:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hamadryad \* > **has done this she has called attention to the fact that the flirtatious episode was off-topic, and proceeded to at least APPEND the flirt with a relatively on-topic remark.** Back when I used to follow alt.folklore.urban (like, '94), posters used to include ObX sections (for ‘obligitory X’, where X was the thread topic) to avoid heavy flaming. Of course, that kind of _encourages_ off-topic posts; people feel justified because they include some little nugget on-topic phrase at the end of their post. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/46 "2001-04-23T06:25:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by evilbeth \* > **Oh yes, you all have the right to speak your mind but do so -sic-(with) (?) the rest of us. You MPSIMS people need to learn to do one of the following things. > [li]If you _insist_ on opening such threads, do not comment unless you have something nice to say.[/li]** With? Was I out of place to add that? Because it sure sounded to me like that’s what you meant. Sorry to come in late in this thing, and yes, I haven’t read all of the comments made here so far, but gimme a fucking break, “Don’t add something unless it’s nice!?!” Move over Ann Landers, there’s a new kid in town, she goes by the name **evilbeth**. That is the silliest, most assinine, most naive comment I’ve seen in ages around here. I could tell things were getting all touchy feely, nice for niceness, care because you’re good at heart, mentality running around here lately, but this takes the cake- Don’t comment unless it’s positive? Excuse me while I go vomit. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/47 "2001-04-23T06:46:09Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by CnoteChris \* \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by evilbeth \* > Oh yes, you all have the right to speak your mind but do so -sic-(with) (?) the rest of us. You MPSIMS people need to learn to do one of the following things. > [li]If you _insist_ on opening such threads, do not comment unless you have something nice to say.[/li][/QUOTE] > > With? Was I out of place to add that? Because it sure sounded to me like that’s what you meant.\*\* Okay, first off, moron, quote people correctly. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by evilbeth_ > **Oh yes, you all have the right to speak your mind but so do the rest of us.** Underlining mine. Try actually reading the post, won’t you? If you go back and look at the actual post instead of writing in what you think you read, you can see that it makes perfect sense, unlike you. > [@](#): > > \*\*Sorry to come in late in this thing, and yes, I haven’t read all of the comments made here so far, but gimme a fucking break, “Don’t add something unless it’s nice!?!” > > Move over Ann Landers, there’s a new kid in town, she goes by the name **evilbeth**. > > That is the silliest, most assinine, most naive comment I’ve seen in ages around here.\*\* Again, dipshit, _read the frickin’ OP_. **evilbeth** is talking about MPSIMS, _not_ the Pit, and I believe it’s standard practice to avoid flaming in MPSIMS. Now, not only is she talking about MPSIMS, she’s also talking about a specific type of thread, in which two people express their love for each other with more mushiness than a Snickers bar left out in the Arizona sun on a summer day. Her point, cornhole, is that there is no reason for people who don’t want to deal with that mushiness to open that thread and bitch about the lovey-dovey stuff inside. I, incidentally, agree with this. If you hate mushiness, you have no call to complain about the shows on the Romance channel. All you have to do is stop watching the bloody channel. Are we clear? ---
**Author:** ![evilbeth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/evilbeth/32/2268_2.png) [@evilbeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/evilbeth)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/48 "2001-04-23T07:02:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CnoteChris \* > \*\* > Excuse me while I go vomit. > \*\* Would you like to borrow my finger? If you have nothing better to do than open a thread that is _clearly_ about two people and their relationship (_knowing_ that is is going to be about their love/affection for each other)\* and say something completely mean and rude, then fuck you. I’m not sure if you realize this, but every single thread does not need your contribution. If it’s a MPSIMS thread celebrating joy and you have nothing but animosity toward the participants or the subject matter, why the hell would you bother reading it in the first place, much less commenting on it? It isn’t in the Pit where you are invited to dump on it; it isn’t in GQ where people need your expertise; it isn’t in GD where it is your duty as a Doper to fight any ignorance contained within; hell, it isn’t even IMHO where you are asked your opinion–these threads are in MPSIMS. These people are sharing their joy and if you have nothing better to do than go out of your way to try to lessen that, you are a completely pathetic individual. > [@](#): > > _Originaaly posted by CnoteChris_ > \*\* > I could tell things were getting all touchy feely, nice for niceness, care because you’re good at heart, mentality running around here lately\*\* No, the way things are getting around here is catty and petty. I’m not saying you have to say something nice but if you insist on being a sanctimonious ass and saying something cruel, expect to be flamed for it like the pathetic loser you are. _Or_ you could just not say anything in that thread. If it bugs you so very much that you feel you _must_ say something, then by all means, open a Pit thread. But be warned! If you rant about how all this mushiness makes you ill, someone is probably going to come behind you telling you that you don’t even know what mushy is until you’ve walked a mile in _that_ poster’s shoes and how dare you assume to even know what “true” mushiness means. \*I realize the “Meet the SDMB President” thread was not clearly labeled. However, the same rules apply even after you’ve opened the thread and seen what it is about. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/49 "2001-04-23T07:41:04Z")
Good points **BayleDomon**. And you’re right, I _did_ read the ‘so do the rest of us’ as, ‘so do _with_ the rest of us agree’ etc. etc., and added my own thoughts to the equation to correct the sentance to _my_ meaning. But that’s how _I_ read it. That’s why I also I added the -sic- stuff too, if you forgot to see that included in my post, to show that I wasn’t exactly sure. I was hedging me bets, so to speak. But all that aside, I think the gist of that post was what I interpreted. There was a serious proclamation in there saying that all posts to threads like that should be nice and sweet. Huh!?! Someone is deciding new policy here? If I disagree with the crap that I see, on a daily basis no less, and across every forum, that makes me want to spew, I should keep it to myself and never say anything? Uuuu hmmmm, yeah… that’s an open and meaningful dialogue. Ohh, and by the way, are you _telling_ me what I should and shouldn’t post? Let’s get a little bit hypocritical here while we’re at it- You don’t like us coming in and saying how you should behave, so you’re coming in to the pit to tell us? Gotcha. **evilbeth** - > [@](#): > > If you have nothing better to do than open a thread that is clearly about two people and their relationship (knowing that is is going to be about their love/affection for each other)\* and say something completely mean and rude, then fuck you. As far as I can remember, I never have. And I’ve never started a pit thread about them either. ---
**Author:** ![evilbeth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/evilbeth/32/2268_2.png) [@evilbeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/evilbeth)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/50 "2001-04-23T07:49:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CnoteChris \* > \*\* > > Huh!?! Someone is deciding new policy here? > > Ohh, and by the way, are you _telling_ me what I should and shouldn’t post? Let’s get a little bit hypocritical here while we’re at it- You don’t like us coming in and saying how you should behave, so you’re coming in to the pit to tell us?\*\* Yes, didn’t you notice that I was placed in charge of making new policies and everything I say is now law? I’ll see if I can get you a copy of that memo. And what I said was that _if_ you did decide to be an ass (not that you were forbidden from doing so) then you can expect to be called on it because people are sick and tired of this rude shit. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Cnote Chris_\*\* > > As far as I can remember, I never have. And I’ve never started a pit thread about them either. > \*\* Then you are obviously not one of the people the OP was intended to address. But thanks for contributing. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/51 "2001-04-23T08:02:01Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by evilbeth \* \*\* > [@](#): > > Then you are obviously not one of the people the OP was intended to address. But thanks for contributing. \*\* You bet. Whenever a thread doesn’t specifically address someone or some_thing_, then yeah, I’ll contribute. Since you’ve been placed in charge, maybe you can make a proclamation towards directing a pit rant towards a specific poster or posters, instead of the general posters at large. That might help- because some of us _do_ avoid those threads. ---
**Author:** ![evilbeth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/evilbeth/32/2268_2.png) [@evilbeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/evilbeth)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/52 "2001-04-23T08:04:18Z")
Nah, since I’ve been put in charge, consider this my personal “announcement” thread–based on and inspired by certain individuals and events but just chock full of useful information for everyone! Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/53 "2001-04-23T08:12:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CnoteChris \* > **Ohh, and by the way, are you _telling_ me what I should and shouldn’t post? Let’s get a little bit hypocritical here while we’re at it- You don’t like us coming in and saying how you should behave, so you’re coming in to the pit to tell us?** If you (the general ‘you’ in this case, so we don’t get confused) claim you’re not hypocritical, then you are, as far as I can figure. It’s inhuman not to be hypocritical. But I digress. Yeah, we as regular posters have no real right to tell others what we should and shouldn’t post. But can you sit there and say it’s not the least bit inappropriate to be a wet blanket? You may be disgusted by it, but the people playing in that thread _are_ enjoying themselves. To use your argument, you very well can’t, or at the least shouldn’t, post in a love thread to gripe about what people are posting. It’s funny how often I see this type of Pit thread (being a Pit-lurker, I don’t have much experience with the other forums): (OP gripes about something) (Poster X tells OP they have no right to gripe about that thing) (Others reply, defending the OP’s right to gripe) (Poster X replies defensively, saying they have as much right to post as anyone, and where do _you_ get off telling people what they can and can’t post?) See the inconsistency here? The same principle applies to love threads. Just because you _can_ post doesn’t mean you _should_. It’s unfair to the participants, and unnecessary. If you want, post in the Pit about how you’re sick of seeing love threads, but don’t interrupt the thread itself. If this sounds too much like more of telling you what to do, it’s simply rational reasoning based on the position that it’s a Good Thing to be courteous to other people, and one would expect you to arrive at the same conclusion. – As I was composing this and checking it out in Preview, I see this: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Cnote Chris_ > **Whenever a thread doesn’t specifically address someone or something, then yeah, I’ll contribute.** Congratulations, you just made **evilbeth’s** point. If it’s just a general thread talking about general stuff, please, feel free to post. But if it’s a thread specifically for certain people, perhaps you should rethink going in and spouting your opinion. It’s on a public forum, you say, I can post if I want. Again, there is a difference between can and should. [sub]Sorry for getting too general and long-winded, but this has been stewing around in my head for a while.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/54 "2001-04-23T08:14:10Z")
I always knew those in upper management were the smartest. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/55 "2001-04-23T08:29:10Z")
> [@](#): > > If you… (snip)… claim you’re not hypocritical, then you are, as far as I can figure. How deliciously cynical. And about as mature as “whoever smelt it, dealt it.” > [@](#): > > But can you sit there and say it’s not the least bit inappropriate to be a wet blanket? It’s oftentimes inappropriate. But not always. For example, if Poster X made seventeen threads about his oh-so-jolly relationship in the course of a week, you can be rest assurred some people will be justifiably annoyed. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/56 "2001-04-23T08:49:57Z")
> [@](#): > > **If it’s just a general thread talking about general stuff, please, feel free to post. But if it’s a thread specifically for certain people, perhaps you should rethink going in and spouting your opinion. It’s on a public forum, you say, I can post if I want. Again, there is a difference between can and should.** And who decides the ‘should’? **evilbeth**? I can’t speak for you, but my ‘should’, is a bit different than her, ‘should’. Shall I consult her on the appropriateness of my response? Or shall this be an open board, open to all suggestions and thoughts. Maybe I should, I always try to avoid trouble. Boy, such honesty is so hard to come by. I’m glad I’m a member of the ‘Straight Dope’ board, and not apart of that ‘What People Want You To Here’ board- 'cause then all I’d here is what I want to here. Shweee. This is a message board. People should and will say what they want to say. If you’re so shaky in your relationship that some anonymous nobody can come in and shake it up with a few disparaging comments, then maybe you shouldn’t be together in the first place. If that’s so traumatizing, you should be spending your time in counseling, not on a friggin public message board. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/57 "2001-04-23T08:54:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE Bo Diddly \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > If you… (snip)… claim you’re not hypocritical, then you are, as far as I can figure. > > \*\* How nice of you to cut out the part about the general ‘you’. I had hoped that would carry the inference I was referring to myself as well. In other words, “I admit I’m a hypocrite. As far as I’ve seen, it’s human nature to be hypocritical, and therefore it’s a little pointless to call a person on it.” Guess it didn’t come off like that. > [@](#): > > \*\*It’s oftentimes inappropriate. But not always. For example, if Poster X made seventeen threads about his oh-so-jolly relationship in the course of a week, you can be rest assurred some people will be justifiably annoyed. \*\* Point taken. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/58 "2001-04-23T09:24:03Z")
O.K… A bit of re-direction. I got a bit sidetracked in all the hussle and bussle of the argument here. **evilbeth** - If you’re saying that someone shouldn’t come in and say, “Hey you cunt and you diry cock. You two remind me off what I pulled out of my toilet last night- tampons and shit. That’s what you are- Shipons- Taiwanese for stool and stuffing. Fuck your happiness, you two together make me ill.” Yeah, if I saw that I’d say, “Sheesh, that guy has got an issue going there that I’d be happy to treat for $550.00 an hour. Come visit me, I’ve got a 401 I need pumping.” Yeah, I see the problem there. But, and this is my point, if someone comes in and says, “Hey. we’re all a bit tired of hearing about this shit” or, “Enough, we’re all happy for you two, but get off the board and go enjoy a romp in the hay together instead of explaining every nuance of your relationship to all of us instead of doing something about it”, then, I don’t see a problem. What was said might be mean, and it’s certainly not nice to hear sometimes, but it’s the truth- maybe it should be said. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2001, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/59 "2001-04-23T09:35:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CnoteChris \* > \*\*And who decides the ‘should’? **evilbeth**? > \*\* She’s got _my_ vote! ---
**Author:** ![evilbeth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/evilbeth/32/2268_2.png) [@evilbeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/evilbeth)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2001, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503/60 "2001-04-24T05:17:55Z")
**CnoteChris** –did you ever get around to looking at the link to the main offending MPSIMS thread? Essentially, it _was_ a response in the tone of your “shipons” comment that helped inspire the rant. So, you see, we agree somewhat. Isn’t it nice when that happens? Additionally, I have no problem with someone saying, “This continuous flirting is really getting old–can we talk about something else?” I really don’t even have a big problem with people saying that they think public displays of affection are disgusting–I think it’s sad that they can’t handle it but I’ll get over it. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with people suggesting that the reason not to post such happy news is that it might depress some already depressed people who don’t have anyone. (Yes, this is a different rant than the OP–in case you’re keeping score at home.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-ive-had-enough/62503.md?page=2)