# That's it. Won't watch Glee anymore.

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**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [September 29, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962 "2013-09-29T23:20:49Z")\
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**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/21 "2013-09-30T01:28:47Z")

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Eww gross

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**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/22 "2013-09-30T01:28:49Z")

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> [@Marley23](#):
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> There’s nothing for her to get. But I think I know where she got the idea that she has an open invitation to decide if other people’s sexual preferences make sense.

Now, now. It’s not that he doesn’t understand the sexual orientation; he’s simply decided they’re loathsome to his sight, so by extension should not be shown where his daughter will be challenged by them. BIG difference.

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**Author:** ![PacifistPorcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PacifistPorcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PacifistPorcupine)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/23 "2013-09-30T01:31:52Z")

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I think it’s an important lesson to teach your kids. That way before she brings home her boyfriend or girlfriend she’ll know to warn them about your “views.”

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**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/24 "2013-09-30T01:43:33Z")

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> [@Ferret\_Herder](#):
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> No problem - boys are so awesome to kiss, even some other boys think so too. Presto!

True. But be sure to tell your daughter that kissing girls is a great goodness as well. 🙂

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**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/25 "2013-09-30T01:44:47Z")

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Not a Glee watcher or a homophobe, and not sure if the Glee scenario was similar but there is point in some shows where the action is so obviously pandering it’s a bit disconcerting. Star Trek Enterprise had the character T’Pol who was very attractive, but one episode having her go into heat and get all Vulcan slutty was off putting. I thought she was very attractive, but the scenario was so grotesquely a play for ratings using her T&A appeal it was kind of repellent.

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**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/26 "2013-09-30T01:50:03Z")

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I liked that episode, it expanded out knowledge of the Vulcan species.  
And Denobulans too, remember that Phlox was able to resist something that Tucker couldn’t.

Stupid spellchecker knows “Vulcan” but not “Denobulan”. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

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**Author:** ![PacifistPorcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PacifistPorcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PacifistPorcupine)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/27 "2013-09-30T01:55:01Z")

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> [@aNewLeaf](#):
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> Stupid spellchecker knows “Vulcan” but not “Denobulan”. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

[offtopic]Vulcan’s the Roman god of fire. Denobulan… isn’t.[/offtopic]

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**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/28 "2013-09-30T01:56:48Z")

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> [@the\_diego](#):
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> To the questions: 1) she likes boys so it mystifies her, 2) yes. To the other sharees, I think I’ll take your names down. 😉

Whats to get? My kids understood it at 5.

It was a 30 sec conversation. “Some boys love girls. Some boys love boys. Some girls love girls. Would you like a cookie?”

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**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/29 "2013-09-30T01:58:52Z")

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> [@PacifistPorcupine](#):
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> [offtopic]Vulcan’s the Roman god of fire. Denobulan… isn’t.[/offtopic]

By Zeus and Zoroaster, it appears you are correct!

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**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/30 "2013-09-30T02:08:56Z")

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I always thought _Glee_ was aimed at the gay man demographic, it’d be weird _not_ to have two men kissing on it.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/31 "2013-09-30T02:34:10Z")

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> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#):
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> Whats to get? My kids understood it at 5.

Seriously, this is the least big deal imaginable. When my daughter was around 2 or 3, she started asking about people getting married, and whether everyone had a mama and a daddy, and we explained about different family structures, and she was every bit as shocked and confused as when we explained that the red light means stop and the green light means go. It was just another piece of information about the world for her.

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**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/32 "2013-09-30T02:53:30Z")

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It’s much more difficult to explain to kids why some people are bigots.

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**Author:** ![Sudden\_Kestrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@Sudden\_Kestrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sudden_Kestrel)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/33 "2013-09-30T02:54:46Z")

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Seems like kind of a strange reason to stop watching _Glee_ when there are so many other reasons. Still, it makes me feel nostalgic for the '70s, when I, too, felt uncomfortable watching two men kiss.

Adolescence cured me of that, so there’s still hope for your daughter.

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**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/34 "2013-09-30T02:55:40Z")

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> [@the\_diego](#):
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> I have come to accept homosexuality as a normal feature in American television. I’m OK with two men identified as being gay partners, though I was rather disappointed with the Jeff Goldblum character. But if in this season they’re going to be showing two men kissing prolonged, then the old me takes over. I don’t care what people say, I think it’s disgusting and not something I will have my daughter watch. And I don’t care if I’m the last intolerant person on earth.

Unfortunately, you’re not the last intolerant person on earth. But I hope your daughter has other role models in her life who can help her see and accept the range of human sexuality as natural rather than disgusting and something to be hidden.

> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#):
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> Whats to get? My kids understood it at 5.
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> It was a 30 sec conversation. “Some boys love girls. Some boys love boys. Some girls love girls. Would you like a cookie?”

Cookies!?! What kind of perverts are you raising? 😛

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**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/35 "2013-09-30T03:11:06Z")

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Two guys kissing is probably the _least_ gay thing that has ever happened on Glee.

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**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/36 "2013-09-30T03:22:02Z")

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> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#):
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> Whats to get? My kids understood it at 5.
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> It was a 30 sec conversation. “Some boys love girls. Some boys love boys. Some girls love girls. Would you like a cookie?”

See, I thought I had it down until the bit about cookie-love…

I gave up on Glee about the middle of season two, when it started getting lousy, but I’ll state my opinion anyway. While I’m not gay, I’ve sort of hated the way they wrote Kurt, as I’ve never understood equating being a gay man with being a woman or wanting to be a woman. There was an ep where they split the club into boys vs. girls and Kurt headed off with the girls and they had to explain he was with the boy’s team. WTH? That comes off like they’re saying he’s not so much gay as sexually confused.

That aside, I hate the tv trope of the super-chaste gay couple, where we see straights romping about in their underwear while Willow and Tara only gaze into each other’s eyes until the show is moved to a network that doesn’t give a damn.

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**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/37 "2013-09-30T03:40:44Z")

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“Prolonged kissing”? Wasn’t there a scene last year or the year before in which Kurt and Blaine made out in the back of a limo? In other words, this is hardly new.

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**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/38 "2013-09-30T04:27:41Z")

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I used to like Glee for the music and dancing (especially Heather) but after awhile it became more about being gay and less about music. I’m old enough and smart enough to not need constant reminders that gay people are discriminated against. Keep pushing it at me and I’ll go somewhere where the focus is on something I actually care about.

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**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/39 "2013-09-30T04:42:07Z")

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> [@Bear\_Nenno](#):
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> What does your daughter think?

Well?

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**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/40 "2013-09-30T04:42:43Z")

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> [@Dr.Drake](#):
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> You know, your own daughter might be gay, and if she’s not she will have a friend who is. Do you really want to take the risk of instilling her with self-loathing and an increased risk of destructive behaviours just because you can’t get beyond your own bigotry? Or, if the friend, do you really want her to be someone that helps drive another child down the same dark path?
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> Gay people are real, and just as human as anyone else. Please don’t make our lives harder because of your prejudices. And we promise, we’ll stop kissing in public as soon as you do.

If she turns out gay, she’ll deal with it her own way. It won’t hurt to let her know how I feel at the start. I like to shut off crazy politicians on tv, and gays get much much more respect than that.

You can spare me lectures that gays are real people deserving of respect. They get that from me. And I know you’re not treating me as a troglodyte. I have had a conventional upbringing; not too old-fashioned or repressive or conditioned in any unusual way. In fact, there are a number of blatantly covert gay men and women who count me as their friend. So let’s turn it from me to gays in general, why don’t we?

No matter how acceptable you (gays) become, there will be those who will find you, or some aspect of you, objectionable; and it will be the height of naivete to be wondering why. Some of your actions offend people, regardless of who stands on the righteous side. You can go and fight people who are prejudiced against you, that’s your right. You can knock at my door and tell me just how wrong I am, but that’s as far as you’ll go with me. I make it clear what I don’t like about you guys.

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