# That's it. Won't watch Glee anymore. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 29, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962 "2013-09-29T23:20:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/41 "2013-09-30T04:49:36Z")
What the hell is a blatantly covert gay person? Do you mean overt? (It’s the opposite of covert.) More importantly- it’s very nice of you to respect gays as people, but if the message you’re sending is that you like guys just fine unless you have to deal with the fact that they have the same kinds of emotions and sexual desires you do, then that’s a pretty big limitation on your sympathy or your support or whatever you want to call it. Gays and lesbians shouldn’t have to pretend to be chaste to earn your respect. Two guys kissing doesn’t turn me on at all either, but I also don’t feel the need to announce that I think it’s gross. What’s the point? > [@the\_diego](#): > > If she turns out gay, she’ll deal with it her own way. It won’t hurt to let her know how I feel at the start. I’m not sure how you mean this… but I’m pretty sure she already knows exactly how you feel, and it could definitely hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/42 "2013-09-30T04:50:16Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > In fact, there are a number of blatantly covert gay men and women who count me as their friend. Blatantly covert? > [@the diego](#): > > No matter how acceptable you (gays) become, there will be those who will find you, or some aspect of you, objectionable; and it will be the height of naivete to be wondering why. Some of your actions offend people, regardless of who stands on the righteous side. You can go and fight people who are prejudiced against you, that’s your right. You can knock at my door and tell me just how wrong I am, but that’s as far as you’ll go with me. I make it clear what I don’t like about you guys. Seriously? “I’m not prejudiced, but it’s not my fault your filth offends decent people”. That’s your argument? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/43 "2013-09-30T04:54:15Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > You can spare me lectures that gays are real people deserving of respect. They get that from me. No they don’t. Just starting this thread was disrespectful. Expressing anything other than support for full social equality for gay people is not respectful of gay people. There is no space in the word “respectful” for people who openly express the idea that gay people are inherently inferior. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/44 "2013-09-30T06:22:42Z")
“Overt.” Sorry guys and girls. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/45 "2013-09-30T06:22:54Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > No they don’t. Just starting this thread was disrespectful. Expressing anything other than support for full social equality for gay people is not respectful of gay people. There is no space in the word “respectful” for people who openly express the idea that gay people are inherently inferior. I think we may be mixing few different issues here. I don’t watch Glee but it has a rep as a very gay oriented show which is why I’m a bit puzzled that the\_diego just seems to be figuring this out. Having said this I’m heterosexual and men kissing each other in an intimate and erotic fashion for an extended time is viscerally unappealing to me. If a show chooses to make an extended gay smooch a focal point of the action it’s telling me what it’s thematic and dramatic priorities are and it’s perfectly all right for it to do this. just as it’s perfectly right for me to take my eyeballs elsewhere. If there’s a plausible dramatic rationale for the kiss I’ll let it pass, but if I perceive that (IMO) it’s the same type of “watch this shit” pandering nonsense I referenced earlier with the Star Trek show I’ll move on and won’t let the door hit me in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/46 "2013-09-30T06:29:47Z")
Moralizing posters like this always leave me fagged. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/47 "2013-09-30T06:33:19Z")
It started as a mundane, pointless stuff I wanted to share. Reading can leave you fagged out but you’re born fagged. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/48 "2013-09-30T06:34:49Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > I make it clear what I don’t like about you guys. Together for 33 years, my partner and I flew to California to get legally married last month, as Gay Marriage is still not legal in Nevada. While I find your open bigotry somewhat refreshing - better than going behind our backs - I am sorry you find the idea of two guys kissing so repulsive. However, I usually find that those who protest the loudest might themselves have some secret. unresolved issues. Otherwise, why on earth would you care one iota if two guys kiss on a fictional television show - especially considering in real life, one of those two actors is quite heterosexual? Nothing I say will ever change your mind. However, I am old enough to remember other bigots back in the day who were shocked to see a negro star in a TV show (Diana Carrol in “Julia”) or shocked to see mixed-race couples, or seeing a woman as a judge or cop or detective in TV shows. Luckily, times change and my guess is your daughter was far less shocked and lost no sleep over that wretched scene of sexual debauchery (a kiss) than you seem to be - at least I hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/49 "2013-09-30T06:34:59Z")
Whoa. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/50 "2013-09-30T06:38:19Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m not sure how you mean this… but I’m pretty sure she already knows exactly how you feel, and it could definitely hurt. I’m on the floor clutching my chest… I can’t tell my 10-year old daughter exactly how I feel about things? I’m assuming you speak with authority in child education. But I’m pretty sure this isn’t all correct. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/51 "2013-09-30T06:43:27Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Having said this I’m heterosexual and men kissing each other in an intimate and erotic fashion for an extended time is viscerally unappealing to me. You know, I didn’t complain once when I sat down to have a good tragic gay cry with Brokeback Mountain and got an entirely unwanted faceful of Hathaway boob. Don’t watch something because you find it boring or whatever, but don’t ever tell me that it’s just you find gay kissing gross, because seriously. There is almost literally no end to the media that reinforces heteronormative relationships and we’re expected to sit quietly by. You can let us have one show on primetime televison without needing to get on your high horse about it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/52 "2013-09-30T06:52:10Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > I’m on the floor clutching my chest… I can’t tell my 10-year old daughter exactly how I feel about things? Who said you can’t? You were proclaiming that your disgust with gay people wouldn’t affect her if she turns out to be gay, and I bet you’re wrong about that. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/53 "2013-09-30T07:06:45Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > You know, I didn’t complain once when I sat down to have a good tragic gay cry with Brokeback Mountain and got an entirely unwanted faceful of Hathaway boob. Don’t watch something because you find it boring or whatever, but don’t ever tell me that it’s just you find gay kissing gross, because seriously. There is almost literally no end to the media that reinforces heteronormative relationships and we’re expected to sit quietly by. You can let us have one show on primetime televison without needing to get on your high horse about it. I’m being perfectly frank about a visceral reaction to men kissing each other erotically. It’s unattractive to me. If it serves a larger dramatic purpose, fine, if I perceive (IMO) it’s cheap pandering also fine. In the former scenario I’ll keep watching in the latter I’ll move on. It’s no skin off anyone’s nose but my own. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/54 "2013-09-30T07:24:27Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > What does your daughter think? She’s probably turning gay, just to piss dad off. ---
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/55 "2013-09-30T08:53:30Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > If she turns out gay, she’ll deal with it her own way. It won’t hurt to let her know how I feel at the start. You can’t possibly be serious. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/56 "2013-09-30T10:23:25Z")
I just don’t see the appeal. To be honest, I find it disgusting. Obviously I don’t mind what people get up to behind closed doors, but I don’t think it should be on TV, and I don’t know why the OP wants to make us thing about it by posting this thread and drawing attention to it. So if people could avoid posting about Glee, I’d be very grateful. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/57 "2013-09-30T10:38:18Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Seriously, this is the least big deal imaginable. When my daughter was around 2 or 3, she started asking about people getting married, and whether everyone had a mama and a daddy, and we explained about different family structures, and she was every bit as shocked and confused as when we explained that the red light means stop and the green light means go. It was just another piece of information about the world for her. Whereas my brother and his wife insisted in giving their children explanations that 1950 would like back. When her brother’s girlfriend announced her pregnancy, my nephew went on the warpath: “so you can have children without being married?.. so when are they getting married\*… then you CAN have children without being married!.. I’m not asking what’s better, I’m asking ‘can you’!” Eventually he decided his parents weren’t going to give him any better answers and turned to my mother - and that is one of the reasons I still talk to the woman. Ten years ago, her responses would have been the same ones the kid was getting from his paternal units. Nowadays, she was able to explain about adoption and coadoption and two-mommies and two-daddies families 😃 [This ad](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqPNIlRnPBI) started showing recently. “Sometimes a Mommy and a Daddy write a letter to the crane\*\* and, uh… and a few months later, you were born!” Yeah, or a Mommy and a Mommy, or a Daddy and a Daddy, or a Daddy on his own, or a Mommy on her own… - No way they are, since she’s not interested. LTR, yes; marriage, hell no. \*\* Some places grow kids under cabbages, some have a crane bring them. Ours fly. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/58 "2013-09-30T11:09:12Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Together for 33 years, my partner and I flew to California to get legally married last month, as Gay Marriage is still not legal in Nevada. > > While I find your open bigotry somewhat refreshing - better than going behind our backs - I am sorry you find the idea of two guys kissing so repulsive. > > However, I usually find that those who protest the loudest might themselves have some secret. unresolved issues. Otherwise, why on earth would you care one iota if two guys kiss on a fictional television show - especially considering in real life, one of those two actors is quite heterosexual? > > Nothing I say will ever change your mind. However, I am old enough to remember other bigots back in the day who were shocked to see a negro star in a TV show (Diana Carrol in “Julia”) or shocked to see mixed-race couples, or seeing a woman as a judge or cop or detective in TV shows. > > Luckily, times change and my guess is your daughter was far less shocked and lost no sleep over that wretched scene of sexual debauchery (a kiss) than you seem to be - at least I hope so. Congratulations! And it’s Diahann Carroll. Congratulations! And it’s Dihann Carroll. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/59 "2013-09-30T11:14:56Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Together for 33 years, my partner and I flew to California to get legally married last month, as Gay Marriage is still not legal in Nevada. > > While I find your open bigotry somewhat refreshing - better than going behind our backs - I am sorry you find the idea of two guys kissing so repulsive. > > However, I usually find that those who protest the loudest might themselves have some secret. unresolved issues. Otherwise, why on earth would you care one iota if two guys kiss on a fictional television show - especially considering in real life, one of those two actors is quite heterosexual? > > Nothing I say will ever change your mind. However, I am old enough to remember other bigots back in the day who were shocked to see a negro star in a TV show (Diana Carrol in “Julia”) or shocked to see mixed-race couples, or seeing a woman as a judge or cop or detective in TV shows. > > Luckily, times change and my guess is your daughter was far less shocked and lost no sleep over that wretched scene of sexual debauchery (a kiss) than you seem to be - at least I hope so. Congratulations! And it’s Diahann Carroll. Congratulations! And it’s Dihann Carroll. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/60 "2013-09-30T11:23:02Z")
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