# That's it. Won't watch Glee anymore. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 29, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962 "2013-09-29T23:20:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/61 "2013-09-30T11:33:54Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > I’m on the floor clutching my chest… I can’t tell my 10-year old daughter exactly how I feel about things? I’m assuming you speak with authority in child education. But I’m pretty sure this isn’t all correct. I’m terribly afraid to fly. But I get on airplanes and go on trips with my family. I tell my kids that flying isn’t my favorite thing, but it’s safe and I’m so excited to go on this trip. I don’t want to pass all my irrational crap onto my kids. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/62 "2013-09-30T12:14:34Z")
Although the precipitating event was a TV show, this isn’t really about _Glee_, which is why I originally left it in MPSIMS. Since it’s been moved, though, let’s move it to IMHO, probably a better place to discuss the OP’s homophobia. ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/63 "2013-09-30T12:21:14Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > \*\* Some places grow kids under cabbages, some have a crane bring them. Ours fly. The bird that delivers babies is usually called a stork in English, so far as I know. In less idiomatic usage, it would take a better bird expert than I to know the difference between a stork and a crane. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/64 "2013-09-30T12:40:39Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > If she turns out gay, she’ll deal with it her own way. It won’t hurt to let her know how I feel at the start. Yes, yes it would. It **seriously** would, and I’m shocked you even believe this. (And I’m a straight woman, by the way.) This isn’t like not wanting to tell your parents that you want to get your ears pierced or dye your hair pink, for heaven’s sake. It might terrify her to come out to you. If she has even a (normal even for straight teen/pre-teen girls) friend-crush on another girl she will probably try to hide any hint of that from you. She might even try to bury her feelings so deeply that she gets into an ill-advised straight marriage, trying to run away, only to have it come apart at the seams years later, maybe after a kid or three, with heartbreak and recriminations all around. Or maybe she’d turn 18 and flee cross-country, perhaps leaving a note, not wanting to speak to you again. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/65 "2013-09-30T13:01:40Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > No problem - boys are so awesome to kiss, even some other boys think so too. Presto! > > Anyway, not like I give a shit if you don’t watch - I think they’re scum for [ripping off Jonathan Coulton’s arrangement](http://kotaku.com/5977149/glee-egregiously-rips-off-jonathan-coulton) without a damned bit of credit, much less money. How dare they use Jonathan Coulton’s original intellectual property consisting of someone else’s song? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/66 "2013-09-30T13:34:31Z")
:rolleyes: It’s right there in the link - it’s _his_ “musical arrangement”, which is completely original from the original song’s musical arrangement. Songs are more than just their lyrics. > [@Bricker](#): > > How dare they use Jonathan Coulton’s original intellectual property consisting of someone else’s song? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/67 "2013-09-30T13:37:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How dare they use Jonathan Coulton’s original intellectual property consisting of someone else’s song? Hrm? The arrangement was original work. I assume both parties credited Sir Mix-A-Lot so why wouldn’t Glee credit Coulton for using his work as well? Anyway, I stopped watching Glee by the end of season One when it stopped being a show with funny plots and became an endless series of Very Special Episodes to hang iTunes advertising on. I was, without snark, honestly surprised to learn it’s still chugging along for another season. I never hear anything about it any more these days. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/68 "2013-09-30T13:46:05Z")
If I’m reading [this](http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130129/16045921819/broken-copyright-jonathan-coulton-is-actually-infringing-copyright-glee-is-not.shtml) correctly then the license that Coulton used does not allow him protection as a derivative work AND he violated the license by changing the basic melody and character of the work. Not that I believe that excuses FOX for not crediting him or that I think that his arrangement is not a unique work but that under current copyright law in the States it seems that Coulton is on the losing end. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/69 "2013-09-30T13:55:24Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > I just don’t see the appeal. To be honest, I find it disgusting. Obviously I don’t mind what people get up to behind closed doors, but I don’t think it should be on TV, and I don’t know why the OP wants to make us thing about it by posting this thread and drawing attention to it. > > So if people could avoid posting about Glee, I’d be very grateful. This is the second most awesomely stupid and hilarious thing I’ve read in this thread behind the OP. So thanks for that. The whole thing boils down to that internet meme of “I’m not a homophobe (racist, whatever) because even some of my best friend are gay, BUT…” ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/70 "2013-09-30T14:08:52Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > This is the second most awesomely stupid and hilarious thing I’ve read in this thread behind the OP. So thanks for that. > > The whole thing boils down to that internet meme of “I’m not a homophobe (racist, whatever) because even some of my best friend are gay, BUT…” I think you might have been whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/71 "2013-09-30T14:56:00Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > How old is your daughter, who already knows she finds boys attractive but doesn’t need to see that it’s a normal thing for grown men to find each other attractive? 1. ---
**Author:** ![Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8c91f0/32.png) [@Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bam_Boo_Gut)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/72 "2013-09-30T15:10:54Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > People on TV always order extra cheese. Disgusting - that’s why my TV went out the window. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/73 "2013-09-30T15:12:45Z")
All this time I thought **astro** was a smoking homosexual. Learn something new everyday. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/74 "2013-09-30T15:18:45Z")
I find it hilarious that there is this homophobe out there who toughs out – what is it now, about 15 seasons? – of Glee, with gay relationships and musical numbers and overall FABulousness, just _grinding_ his teeth trying to make it through, committed to not turning the channel to something else… but then a gay kiss! No! Who could be expected to withstand that?! It’s too much. You’ve gone too far now, Glee! Or to put it in other words, it looks like Glee has lost the one remaining homophobe watching their show. I’m not sure how they will cope with this hit to their viewing numbers. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/75 "2013-09-30T15:36:51Z")
I watched last week’s Glee (it wasn’t that bad, though I was left wondering what the hell is this Beatles song and why does it sound so sucky?). Now it _might_ be because I’m a flaming homosexual myself, but I didn’t find the kiss to be all that notable. It wasn’t exactly a heavy petting sort of deal with under-the-sheets stuff. They kissed after a marriage proposal. What the hell did you expect them to do? _Normal_ people kiss after getting engaged. It’s like a fact and stuff. The episode would have been even weirder if they didn’t kiss. “Will you marry me?” “Yes. Yes!” \ :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/76 "2013-09-30T15:37:03Z")
Well I’m the OP’s polar opposite. I never watched Glee, because I’m not all that interested in shows about high school. Then about halfway through the second season I heard all the media buzz about the first kiss between Kurt and Blaine. Reading about the storyline, it sounded like something I would enjoy, so I checked it out. I quickly became hooked on the show, especially the gay love story, and have watched it ever since. Now I’m dying to watch my recording of this season’s first episode. I’m wondering how the OP managed to make it all the way through the actual gay love scene without giving up the show, and yet was thrown by a kiss. **astro** - Glee’s gay love stories are no more or less pandering than their straight love stories. In fact, the episode about sex was notable for cutting between parallel scenes for the gay couple and the straight couple. It’s a show about high school (and now college), in which characters of various sexual orientations have romantic relationships. FTR, I am a straight woman. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/77 "2013-09-30T16:56:13Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > You can spare me lectures that gays are real people deserving of respect. They get that from me. Oh really? Then what do you mean by this: > [@](#): > > No matter how acceptable you (gays) become, there will be those who will find you, or some aspect of you, objectionable; and it will be the height of naivete to be wondering why. Some of your actions offend people, regardless of who stands on the righteous side. You can go and fight people who are prejudiced against you, that’s your right. You can knock at my door and tell me just how wrong I am, but that’s as far as you’ll go with me. I make it clear what I don’t like about you guys. That’s your idea of “respect”? So it’s ok that I’ve loved the same man for almost 26 years, but god forbid I should ever express that love with you around, offending your delicate sensibilities? How many straight people have I watched kissing on tv or in movies? Does that qualify as something “I don’t like about you guys”? Do I boycott every show in which I’ve seen a man and a woman kissing? Hopefully your daughter, regardless of her orientation, will learn to accept people and overcome the bigotry she’s being taught at home. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/78 "2013-09-30T18:32:03Z")
> [@PacifistPorcupine](#): > > [offtopic]Vulcan’s the Roman god of fire. Denobulan… isn’t.[/offtopic] My spell check recognizes “Jedi.” Who’s he the god of? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/79 "2013-09-30T18:33:51Z")
I watched part of the premier and was disgusted by all of the crude humor. Then, sometime later, one of the actresses got completely REAMED for posing in some suggestive photos for some magazine (or maybe an ad or something, don’t remember). I do remember thinking it very stupid. Really? You’ve got “13 year old boys making stupid dirty jokes out behind the school gym” humor and you’re “shocked” at some sexy pics? It’s a shame, because the music of the show looks good, but I can’t get past the nasty tacky “humor”. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/80 "2013-09-30T18:39:14Z")
> [@Eureka](#): > > The bird that delivers babies is usually called a stork in English, so far as I know. > > In less idiomatic usage, it would take a better bird expert than I to know the difference between a stork and a crane. As a bird enthusiast, I can assure you that storks and cranes are as different as sparrows and finches. Which is to say, not that much different. I thought that storks were Old World animals, but Wiki says there are three New World species. But both cranes and storks are predatory birds with long legs and long beaks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962.md?page=5)