# That's it. Won't watch Glee anymore. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 29, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962 "2013-09-29T23:20:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![CLee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@CLee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CLee)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/81 "2013-09-30T18:45:07Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > No matter how acceptable you (gays) become, there will be those who will find you, or some aspect of you, objectionable; Is there any chance that by objectionable you mean “it doesn’t turn me on?” Because that’s quite different from “My religion requires that I find homosexuality sinful”. If it’s the first one, unsurprising, many of us don’t find the elderly making out to be enthralling, either, though I’m damn certain they do. If it’s the second one, well, you’ll simply have to adjust. The world and its norms are changing with or without you. Of course, you could also be perfectly fine with Glee’s prolonged kissing scenes between attractive heterosexual couples, which might mean you are turned on by that action. And in front of your daughter, no less. Gross. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/82 "2013-09-30T18:56:57Z")
> [@CLee](#): > > If it’s the first one, unsurprising, many of us don’t find the elderly making out to be enthralling, either, though I’m damn certain they do. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth, too. You could say it’s a rather lemony taste. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/83 "2013-09-30T18:58:57Z")
Honestly, I don’t understand why boys kissing is a thing so disgusting we need to keep it off TV, but people feel perfectly comfortable spewing their bigoted thoughts on a public message board. One of these things is actively harmful, and it ain’t _Glee_. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/84 "2013-09-30T19:03:42Z")
> [@CLee](#): > > many of us don’t find the elderly making out to be enthralling, either, though I’m damn certain they do. I sure intend to. ---
**Author:** ![CLee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@CLee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CLee)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/85 "2013-09-30T19:06:50Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > I sure intend to. Well, I do, too, but I promise not to make anyone watch. The gays, though, especially those attractive actors tasked with entertaining us, should have at it with gusto. More love is always better than less. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/86 "2013-09-30T19:37:06Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > All this time I thought **astro** was a smoking homosexual. Learn something new everyday. I can’t accessorize. it’s my curse. ---
**Author:** ![Rodgers01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rodgers01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodgers01)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/87 "2013-09-30T20:23:55Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Yes, yes it would. It **seriously** would, and I’m shocked you even believe this. (And I’m a straight woman, by the way.) This isn’t like not wanting to tell your parents that you want to get your ears pierced or dye your hair pink, for heaven’s sake. > > It might terrify her to come out to you. If she has even a (normal even for straight teen/pre-teen girls) friend-crush on another girl she will probably try to hide any hint of that from you. She might even try to bury her feelings so deeply that she gets into an ill-advised straight marriage, trying to run away, only to have it come apart at the seams years later, maybe after a kid or three, with heartbreak and recriminations all around. Or maybe she’d turn 18 and flee cross-country, perhaps leaving a note, not wanting to speak to you again. Exactly. I’m baffled that the OP would not see how much it _would_ hurt his daughter to see him react that way to something that she may very well be. Odds are that his daughter is _not_ gay, but I’d think that any minimally thoughtful/kind person would consider the hypothetical, realize how they should act if it were in fact true, and then adjust their behavior accordingly. And seriously…? YOU’RE WATCHING GLEE. It’s the “gayest” show on TV, even when homosexual characters are _not_ on the screen. It’s not as though as though you were watching Sports Center and all of a sudden two male anchors started to make out. What did you expect? ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/88 "2013-10-01T02:01:31Z")
I was hoping an OP would suffice. But yes, I used to enjoy Glee a lot. It has an appeal for middle-aged straight men, in case you’re not aware; retro music played by young voices, cheer leaders whose only job is to show off their legs; and the show on the whole concerns art (about which Americans are slowly losing.) It’s refreshing, compared with listening to aging 60s and 70s artists. And I am well-aware that gays gravitate towards the performing arts, as they used to in my time (had a stint in the theater.) I was OK with them back then. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/89 "2013-10-01T02:04:20Z")
Gays are just so _uppity_ these days. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/90 "2013-10-01T02:10:13Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > cheer leaders whose only job is to show off their legs I see. Fanservice should only count if it’s for _you_. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/91 "2013-10-01T02:12:02Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > I was hoping an OP would suffice. But yes, I used to enjoy Glee a lot. It has an appeal for middle-aged straight men, in case you’re not aware; retro music played by young voices, cheer leaders whose only job is to show off their legs; and the show on the whole concerns art (about which Americans are slowly losing.) It’s refreshing, compared with listening to aging 60s and 70s artists. > > And I am well-aware that gays gravitate towards the performing arts, as they used to in my time (had a stint in the theater.) I was OK with them back then. So, the parts that appeal to you are family ok. The parts you don’t like mean it’s banished from the house. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![CLee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@CLee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CLee)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/92 "2013-10-01T02:18:54Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > So, the parts that appeal to you are family ok. The parts you don’t like mean it’s banished from the house. Gotcha. No, no, no. He only wants to see scenes that are sexually arousing to him, presumably in the company of his daughter. See? > [@the\_diego](#): > > It has an appeal for middle-aged straight men, in case you’re not aware; retro music played by young voices, cheer leaders whose only job is to show off their legs; snipped Ick. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/93 "2013-10-01T02:34:05Z")
I knew you “guys” will be disgusted (out with no-stocking mini-skirts!) Evensven in that case. Peace out. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/94 "2013-10-01T02:36:07Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > I knew you “guys” will be disgusted (out with no-stocking mini-skirts!) Evensven in that case. Peace out. Sorry, but, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/95 "2013-10-01T02:41:29Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > I have come to accept homosexuality as a normal feature in American television. I’m OK with two men identified as being gay partners, though I was rather disappointed with the Jeff Goldblum character. But if in this season they’re going to be showing two men kissing prolonged, then the old me takes over. I don’t care what people say, I think it’s disgusting and not something I will have my daughter watch. And I don’t care if I’m the last intolerant person on earth. Er…what do you mean “this season”? These same two characters have been sharing prolonged onscreen kisses since the spring of 2011. Heck, they’ve been having sex (off-camera, but we’ve seen some of the before and after onscreen) since fall of 2011. So aside from being the last intolerant person on earth, you must be one of the slowest to catch on. There have also been scenes of two pretty girls kissing, but surprise surprise the straight guy isn’t complaining about that. > [@epbrown01](#): > > I gave up on Glee about the middle of season two, when it started getting lousy, but I’ll state my opinion anyway. While I’m not gay, I’ve sort of hated the way they wrote Kurt, as I’ve never understood equating being a gay man with being a woman or wanting to be a woman. There was an ep where they split the club into boys vs. girls and Kurt headed off with the girls and they had to explain he was with the boy’s team. WTH? That comes off like they’re saying he’s not so much gay as sexually confused. I kind of hate myself for defending a show that I also hate myself for still watching, but Kurt has never wanted to be a woman. In several episodes he’s made it clear that he’s offended when anyone suggests he’s not “really” a boy and he’s refused to dress in drag for performances even when pressured to do so. He preferred to team up with the girls whenever possible because they were his friends and the guys in the choir weren’t always friendly towards him. (One of them used to throw him into the Dumpster every day.) He has a high voice and traditionally feminine interests like fashion and cooking, but he does consider himself to be a boy. There’s been a transgender (MtF) character on the show since late season three, and it’s been made clear that there’s a big difference between her and a guy like Kurt. As for why Kurt is the way he is, after learning a little about _Glee_ co-creator/producer/writer Ryan Murphy (who is gay), it seems to me that Kurt is basically his Mary Sue and likes all the things Murphy likes. Having seen a few interview clips with him, I suspect that the actor playing Kurt may even have incorporated some of Murphy’s mannerisms into his performance. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/96 "2013-10-01T02:50:04Z")
Well at least someone wants to stick to the show. To you, I must add I’m an irregular watcher, with no chance to catch up on weekends. I obviously saw this season’s beatles episode with unusual hatred. For one, this is an episode wherein cast failed to better the originals. I remember the West Side Story “America” number: better singing, sorry choreography and dancing. I have come to expect that of the cast. Carry on! ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/97 "2013-10-01T03:06:22Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > Well at least someone wants to stick to the show. To you, I must add I’m an irregular watcher, with no chance to catch up on weekends. I obviously saw this season’s beatles episode with unusual hatred. For one, this is an episode wherein cast failed to better the originals. I remember the West Side Story “America” number: better singing, sorry choreography and dancing. I have come to expect that of the cast. Carry on! If you saw the _West Side Story_ episode, you saw an episode that had far more explicit homosexual content than last week’s Beatles episode. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/98 "2013-10-01T03:25:38Z")
I have come to accept heterosexuality as a normal feature in American television. I’m OK with two adults of opposite sex identified as being partners. But if in this season they’re going to be showing two people of opposite sex kissing prolonged, then the old me takes over. I don’t care what people say, I think it’s disgusting and not something I will have my daughter watch. And I don’t care if I’m the last intolerant person on earth. the\_diego. Read that. Now imagine a huge chunk of society actually felt that way. And you grew up your whole life being afraid to express your love or feelings about anyone because everyone is so disgusted by it. And your father railed on this sexuality all the time and it devastated you to have to come out to him as a heterosexual. Please, try to change. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/99 "2013-10-01T03:31:32Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > I knew you “guys” will be disgusted (out with no-stocking mini-skirts!) Evensven in that case. Peace out. what ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/100 "2013-10-01T03:56:54Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > I have come to accept heterosexuality as a normal feature in American television. I’m OK with two adults of opposite sex identified as being partners. But if in this season they’re going to be showing two people of opposite sex kissing prolonged, then the old me takes over. I don’t care what people say, I think it’s disgusting and not something I will have my daughter watch. And I don’t care if I’m the last intolerant person on earth. > > the\_diego. Read that. Now imagine a huge chunk of society actually felt that way. And you grew up your whole life being afraid to express your love or feelings about anyone because everyone is so disgusted by it. And your father railed on this sexuality all the time and it devastated you to have to come out to him as a heterosexual. > > Please, try to change. Back in the time of Philip and Alexander, most men were AC, so yours wouldn’t sound so strange. I can only hope to stay consistent had I lived in that time. But if you think I’m the kind who’ll bend to popular norms, who’ll change with the times or even rebel, sorry. I’m more used to being unpopular than many gays out there. And I have gone against my father many times. I went through the usual phase of loving, hating, understanding and honoring him before he died. I’m left with some regrets. But I made myself and I don’t blame my parents or teachers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962.md?page=6)