# That's it. Won't watch Glee anymore.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [September 29, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962 "2013-09-29T23:20:49Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/101 "2013-10-01T04:06:24Z")

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He plays by nobody’s rules but his own. Look out, guys: We got a real badass here!

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**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/102 "2013-10-01T04:10:12Z")

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Jeezz, I thought it was obvious. Aren’t there any independent-minded gays out there?

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**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/103 "2013-10-01T04:11:17Z")

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Wait a minute…is this thread actually a parody of _Glee_?

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**Author:** ![Sudden\_Kestrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@Sudden\_Kestrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sudden_Kestrel)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/104 "2013-10-01T04:14:07Z")

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I’m afraid all this talk of gays having sex and his being forced by _Glee_ to witness gay men kissing like they mean it has caused **the\_diego** ’s intolerance to morph into incoherence. Of course, it _is_ a thin line…

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**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/105 "2013-10-01T04:14:44Z")

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It’s been bumped to different fora and this is the third.

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/106 "2013-10-01T04:16:45Z")

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> [@the\_diego](#):
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> Well at least someone wants to stick to the show.

It’s a little late to play the dewy-eyed innocent here. You were being provocative and said something you knew people would object to, so own up to it.

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**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/107 "2013-10-01T04:19:07Z")

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I don’t care if they’re gay or straight, once a show has enough makeout sessions I get annoyed. Torchwood was cool and all, but I could have lived without the 5 minutes of filler in each episode with three different couples making out in a montage. For a while I was afraid I actually was slightly homophobic until I realized that I just got annoyed at whoever the second couple making out was, regardless of hetero-normativity or gender.

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**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/108 "2013-10-01T04:19:38Z")

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> [@Sudden\_Kestrel](#):
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> I’m afraid all this talk of gays having sex and his being forced by _Glee_ to witness gay men kissing like they mean it has caused **the\_diego** ’s intolerance to morph into incoherence. Of course, it _is_ a thin line…

Awww, I thought it was just troglodytes like me who did that. Well, one can’t be too liberal and tolerant. I just hope Animal Planet and National Geographic won’t let children watch homosexual humans having sex with apes, and blame the AIDS scourge on something else (like rejection by those despicable heteros.)

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**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/109 "2013-10-01T04:25:12Z")

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No, seriously, this is a specific _Glee_ character you’re imitating, right? The big tough guy who always made a big deal about how disgusted he was by homosexuals?

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/110 "2013-10-01T04:25:32Z")

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Good flameout so far. 7/10. It’s no “I burning your dog” but it has potential.

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**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/111 "2013-10-01T04:44:08Z")

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> [@Lamia](#):
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> No, seriously, this is a specific _Glee_ character you’re imitating, right? The big tough guy who always made a big deal about how disgusted he was by homosexuals?

Who, may I ask? The guy who almost killed himself, the Valentine Gorilla?

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**Author:** ![Sudden\_Kestrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@Sudden\_Kestrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sudden_Kestrel)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/112 "2013-10-01T09:11:00Z")

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> [@the\_diego](#):
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> Awww, I thought it was just troglodytes like me who did that. Well, one can’t be too liberal and tolerant. I just hope Animal Planet and National Geographic won’t let children watch homosexual humans having sex with apes, and blame the AIDS scourge on something else (like rejection by those despicable heteros.)

Aaaand the transition is complete!

Seriously, dude. You’re not blaming AIDS on gay men having sex with monkeys, are you? You’re a few decades behind the bigot trend. You apparently need to get out more.

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**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/113 "2013-10-01T12:59:09Z")

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> [@the\_diego](#):
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> I’m more used to being unpopular than many gays out there.

Ok now _this_ is the funniest thing yet and possibly the most dim witted thing I’ve ever heard. Keep the hits coming, you purveyor of virtue!

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**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/114 "2013-10-01T13:46:52Z")

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> [@Dr.Drake](#):
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> You know, your own daughter might be gay, and if she’s not she will have a friend who is. Do you really want to take the risk of instilling her with self-loathing and an increased risk of destructive behaviours just because you can’t get beyond your own bigotry? Or, if the friend, do you really want her to be someone that helps drive another child down the same dark path?
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> Gay people are real, and just as human as anyone else. Please don’t make our lives harder because of your prejudices. And we promise, we’ll stop kissing in public as soon as you do.

Ya know, I have a serious problem with fugly-ass mofo’s kissing in public. Likewise with morbidly obese people in bathing suits. I’m not terribly fond of scab-eaters, nor am I interested in taint-lickers, bug-eaters, and people who have WAY too much plastic surgery.

Two men kissing is another one of the things which I don’t like watching. It repulses me. I don’t have to get over it. I don’t intend to hang gays from a tree, and I could give two shits if they’re allowed to marry. Doesn’t matter to me at all, and I’m not weirded out by sitting next to gay people. Shit, I even shared a hotel bed with a gay guy on a road trip because the option was sharing a bed with an overweight sweaty guy. (three guys, two beds, no cot/couch) I often make the joke to my homophobic friends “I’ve slept with a gay guy. What have you done for gay equality lately?”

But I don’t have to accept as unrepulsive those things which I find repulsive simply because society tells me to.

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**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/115 "2013-10-01T13:52:31Z")

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Your issues with real life are not something I feel it necessary to make allowances for.

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**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/116 "2013-10-01T14:02:29Z")

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There a difference between just saying you’re a bit grossed out when someone asks you, and deliberately mentioning that “hey, some of my best friends are gay, but when they start to make out, it really squicks me out!” without provocation.

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**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/117 "2013-10-01T14:09:58Z")

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> [@Lord\_Feldon](#):
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> Expressing anything other than support for full social equality for gay people is not respectful of gay people. There is no space in the word “respectful” for people who openly express the idea that gay people are inherently inferior.

You have read into this thread things which aren’t there. Nobody said gays were inferior.

I vehemently reject the notion that “ **Expressing anything other than support for full social equality for gay people is not respectful of gay people** ”

That’s horse shit. Ever heard of “live and let live”? Are you telling me that I’m being disrespectful to the Palestinians (or Israelis) simply because I have no opinion to express? Or that the opinion that I express is “Sounds like a bunch of angry people who lost sight of the reason for their anger”. Now I’m being disrespectful to them because I have an opinion which is contrary to someone elses?

If I hold an opinion on gay issues, and it doesn’t include a comprehensive “support gays and everything they’re trying to achieve” then suddenly I’m the disrespectful one?

Try this on for size - I, as an individual, am not responsible for the subconscious physiological reactions that are AUTOMATIC when I am exposed to gay people kissing/fucking. It’s been conditioned into me from birth. You don’t get to call me disrespectful simply because I DON’T LIKE IT. It’s the same thing that happens when a spider crawls up my pants. He’s not going to hurt me, but I’m still running around like a little girl screaming! Where’s the spider-rights brigade? How about scab-eaters? They’re not hurting anyone either, but I don’t like watching it.

**the\_diego** hasn’t said he intends to go picketting against gay rights. He hasn’t said he intends to inculcate into his daughter a hatred for gays. He’s simply expressing his opinion on their activities. He’s allowed to have one, and to do so openly, guaranteed by the constitution of 'merica.

I for one think the horse that the “gay rights movement” has been riding on has gotten a bit too tall. It’s gonna get clipped on a low bridge sooner or later.

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**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/118 "2013-10-01T14:13:24Z")

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> [@the\_diego](#):
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> Awww, I thought it was just troglodytes like me who did that. Well, one can’t be too liberal and tolerant. I just hope Animal Planet and National Geographic won’t let children watch homosexual humans having sex with apes, and blame the AIDS scourge on something else (like rejection by those despicable heteros.)

:dubious:

Look man if you’re gonna jump off the bridge, make sure you’re not tied to anything. I more or less just came to the defense of your contrary opinion, and now you’re making this statement?

If it’s a joke, it whiffed. If it’s serious, well then you’re clearly about as intelligent as a bag of hammers.

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**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/119 "2013-10-01T14:24:14Z")

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> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#):
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> Ya know, I have a serious problem with fugly-ass mofo’s kissing in public. Likewise with morbidly obese people in bathing suits. I’m not terribly fond of scab-eaters, nor am I interested in taint-lickers, bug-eaters, and people who have WAY too much plastic surgery.

If “gay” is in the same area in your head as “scab-eaters”, then you are probably irredeemable.

You’ve tried replacing the word “gay” with other groups you find repulsive. Try replacing the word “gay” with “athlete” or “blond” and see how it sounds to you.

I’m sorry, but “you’re disgusting, and I’ll tolerate you as long as I don’t have to think about you” is not good enough.

And morbidly obese people in bathing suits? Fat people are allowed to go to the beach. Ugly people are allowed to have relationships. Forget gays for a second: do you _ **really** _ think that attractive people should have more privileges than ugly people? Have you thought that attitude through?

The whole point of being a thinking, reasoning mammal is that sometimes you need to be ruled by your head, not your gut reaction.

TL,DR: Get over it.

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**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/120 "2013-10-01T14:26:29Z")

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I’m late to the party but I just wanted to say I find straight kissing kind of gross, too. Or at least a certain type of kissing is gross to me no matter what. If I can see their tongue, gross. If their tongues are snaking towards each other like reptiles looking for sunshine, gross. I like passionate hot kisses as much as anyone, but that kind of slurpy shit is nasty. And that’s pretty common amongst het kisses too.

It is so _weird_ to live in a het-biased society and not realize that \*everything \* in media is catered towards get men. No gay guys out until the last twenty years, no gay kissing, no gay sex except in niche markets, but plenty of girl-on-girl crap and lots and lots and lots of het kissing and lovemaking. And that’s OK, but one gay kiss - and someone said, after a marriage proposal! good gods! Can you imagine the hetero marriage proposal that _didn’t_ end in a soulful kiss - and WE’RE OUTTA HERE.

And that is really the line. If it bothers you you should ask: if this was a hetero relationship, would they kiss? If so, you really have no grounds to stand on. Cover your eyes and look away.

Whatevs. As a straight girl I am all in favor of this new trend. I’m very much a fan of hot guys kissing each other. I don’t want to see any girls anyway. Fork over the Dante’s Cove and others all can enjoy your 50 shades of porn.

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