# That's it. Won't watch Glee anymore. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 29, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962 "2013-09-29T23:20:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/141 "2013-10-01T16:26:56Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > And I’m ok with that. I’m secure in myself, my opinions, and what others think of them. > > It’s really not that big of a deal to me. I think your postings say otherwise. > [@](#): > > People making it seem like holding an unpopular opinion is somehow worthy of villification are the ones who ought to be reconsidering their “tolerant” stance. That isn’t what’s going on here- and it’s not how tolerance works. ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/142 "2013-10-01T16:31:09Z")
Wow. And here I stopped watching “Glee” when that dipshit Marley turned anorexic because _one costume_ started feeling tight and I realized that these characters are too fucking stupid to spend any more time on. “Stupid”, not “gay.” ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/143 "2013-10-01T16:37:19Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > This is [against the rules](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7697048&postcount=11) of the SDMB (changing a poster’s quote to add things not said). Don’t do it again. Yeah, I meant to delete the part where it said it was a direct quote from him so it just said “quote”, and I missed it. My bad. I did put the little “Post modified” disclaimer there, so I don’t think anyone will be cornfused. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/144 "2013-10-01T16:48:26Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > It is so _weird_ to live in a het-biased society and not realize that \*everything \* in media is catered towards get men. No gay guys out until the last twenty years, no gay kissing, no gay sex except in niche markets, but plenty of girl-on-girl crap and lots and lots and lots of het kissing and lovemaking. And that’s OK, but one gay kiss - and someone said, after a marriage proposal! good gods! Can you imagine the hetero marriage proposal that _didn’t_ end in a soulful kiss - and WE’RE OUTTA HERE. > > And that is really the line. If it bothers you you should ask: if this was a hetero relationship, would they kiss? If so, you really have no grounds to stand on. Cover your eyes and look away. My husband and I were at LGBT Night at Dodger Stadium on Friday. LGBT Night. And did they show a single same-sex couple on Kiss Cam? Nope. ON LGBT NIGHT!! As for the goofy topic of the thread: I don’t have to tolerate intolerance. Such a damned silly argument. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/145 "2013-10-01T16:55:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think your postings say otherwise. > > That isn’t what’s going on here- and it’s not how tolerance works. Fer chris’ sake. Tolerance is pretty black and white. [See?](https://www.google.com/search?q=define+toelrance&rlz=1C1EODB_enUS529US530&oq=define+toelrance&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l2j0l2j69i60.1389j0&sourceid=chrome&espvd=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8) That’s what “Live and Let Live” means. It’s what I’ve been saying all along. But if someone has a problem with my expression of my opinion, and they choose to blast that in my face, well then our conversation will escalate. As it has here today. Real world, it doesn’t happen. Gay guys kiss, I roll my eyes in disgust and walk away, and it ends there. No worry about sending the gays off to jail, or taking away their money, or relegating them to a different bathroom. Same goes for the fat chicks. They have a right to be fat, no disputing that. Ya’all are too quick to jump on the bandwagon of defending the poor hapless minorities from getting their feelings hurt. Meanwhile, I’ll be out enjoying my life, secure in my opinions, and one day those opinions may change. As they tend to do over time. My feelings won’t be hurt, now or later. And I won’t give a damn about the people who don’t like my opinions, now, or later. Live and let live. And get fucked if you say otherwise. (that’s a general “you”, not a \*\*Marley23 \*\*“you”) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/146 "2013-10-01T17:01:34Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > I simply will not accept being labelled as “disrespectful” or “bigoted” because I don’t like something. What are you going to do about it? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/147 "2013-10-01T17:03:06Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Tolerance is pretty black and white. Exactly! You said you’re tolerant, therefore you’re tolerant, and anyone who disagrees is intolerant. End of story. There’s actually a very nuanced discussion to be had here, but I don’t think it’s going to happen in this thread. People used to talk about the virtues of tolerance all the time, but I don’t see that very much anymore. There’s more talk about acceptance now, for instance. Saying you tolerate someone implies their existence is an irritation to you and you’re virtuous because you grit your teeth and don’t say anything about your judgment. I think gays (among other minorities) have decided they don’t want to be treated as inconveniences other people just tolerate. And you know what? They’re right. Tolerance really ought to be the worst case scenario; that’s how jerks would feel about it. Ideally people would just be fine with it. And here’s the thing: none of this has anything to do with kissing or sex. > [@](#): > > Real world, it doesn’t happen. Gay guys kiss, I roll my eyes in disgust and walk away, and it ends there. And tell people on the internet about your disgust because that’s how you roll. > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, I’ll be out enjoying my life, secure in my opinions, and one day those opinions may change. Yep. Whenever I see someone say “gays and fatties are gross and you guys are intolerant for getting in my face about it,” I think ‘there goes a person who is secure in his opinions.’ ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/148 "2013-10-01T17:06:47Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > What are you going to do about it? Real world? Strike you off the list of people I give a shit about. Internet? Nothing. Because all of this is really just a mental exercise. Nothing’s truly going to be accomplished here. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/149 "2013-10-01T17:09:22Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Real world? > > Strike you off the list of people I give a shit about. > > Internet? Nothing. Because all of this is really just a mental exercise. Nothing’s truly going to be accomplished here. So why are you pitching a fit? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/150 "2013-10-01T17:11:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Uber\_the\_Goober View Post > I simply will not accept being labelled as “disrespectful” or “bigoted” because I don’t like something. That makes no sense. If you don’t like Koreans, that’s “bigoted” isn’t it? Disrespectful too. If you have a problem with gay guys kissing on your favorite TV show, that’s also bigoted and disrespectful. There’s no law against either. Have at it. But don’t pretend it’s not happening. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/151 "2013-10-01T17:15:36Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Exactly! You said you’re tolerant, therefore you’re tolerant, and anyone who disagrees is intolerant. End of story. > > There’s actually a very nuanced discussion to be had here, but I don’t think it’s going to happen in this thread. People used to talk about the virtues of tolerance all the time, but I don’t see that very much anymore. There’s more talk about acceptance now, for instance. Saying you tolerate someone implies their existence is an irritation to you and you’re virtuous because you grit your teeth and don’t say anything about your judgment. I think gays (among other minorities) have decided they don’t want to be treated as inconveniences other people just tolerate. And you know what? They’re right. Tolerance really ought to be the worst case scenario; that’s how jerks would feel about it. Ideally people would just be fine with it. There probably is a better conversation to be had. It would boil down to more of explaining through the extremely limiting medium of text the actual opinions/stances each of us holds…because face to face, I’m pretty confident this would have ended up differently. I’m clearly not getting across the idea here. It’s more of a “Do what you want, but don’t expect me to be enthusiastic about it when it’s in my face” kind of stance. > [@Marley23](#): > > And here’s the thing: none of this has anything to do with kissing or sex. > And tell people on the internet about your disgust because that’s how you roll. Yep, it is. And as mentioned before, I’m ok with it. It’s just a mental exercise anyway. Without doing this, how on earth would I ever actually get to see the other side of an issue? You really think this conversation would be held with rational people, in real time, without someone getting all mopey/angry/whiney and the conversation breaking down? > [@Marley23](#): > > Yep. Whenever I see someone say “gays and fatties are gross and you guys are intolerant for getting in my face about it,” I think ‘there goes a person who is secure in his opinions.’ Again, I don’t think I’ve clearly conveyed the real-world “I don’t give two shits what you think of my opinions” aspect of this. I enjoy having discussions about it on the internet, but real world, with all that bullshit emotional reaction involved, nah…keep it. Real world communication is relegated to conversations with friends, not strangers. Get into deep stuff with strangers, conversations like politics and religion, and gay rights, and they get all wonky, and whiney, and probably angry. Or they get in your face for not being on the bandwagon. That’s what the internet is for. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/152 "2013-10-01T17:17:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > That makes no sense. If you don’t like Koreans, that’s “bigoted” isn’t it? Disrespectful too. If you have a problem with gay guys kissing on your favorite TV show, that’s also bigoted and disrespectful. There’s no law against either. Have at it. But don’t pretend it’s not happening. Yeah, but this all started because I said I don’t like some of the things people DO. The people themselves aren’t worthy of ire simply for their actions, but I don’t have to like their actions. Not liking someone because they are Korean is wrong. Same with not liking them because they’re gay. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/153 "2013-10-01T17:23:22Z")
But you do hate it when they eat kimchee, while you sit there and stuff your face with sauerkraut. And apparently, feel no cognitive dissonance about it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/154 "2013-10-01T17:28:16Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > There probably is a better conversation to be had. It would boil down to more of explaining through the extremely limiting medium of text the actual opinions/stances each of us holds…because face to face, I’m pretty confident this would have ended up differently. I’m clearly not getting across the idea here. It’s more of a “Do what you want, but don’t expect me to be enthusiastic about it when it’s in my face” kind of stance. You have adequately communicated your stance. My view is that unless they’re really going at it hot and heavy or bumping up against you, two people kissing in public are not getting in your face. And nobody is asking you to be enthusiastic. That’s why advertising your disapproval was a bad move. > [@](#): > > Again, I don’t think I’ve clearly conveyed the real-world “I don’t give two shits what you think of my opinions” aspect of this. Actually you’ve undermined it. Your posts and your expression conflict with your stated views. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/155 "2013-10-01T17:33:26Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > But you do hate it when they eat kimchee, while you sit there and stuff your face with sauerkraut. And apparently, feel no cognitive dissonance about it. I’ve never had kimchee. But if I had, and I didn’t like it, then I wouldn’t expect someone to give me shit because I went “Ugh, gross”. Because my opinion of it is just that, an opinion, and holds no bearing over what they choose to eat, or do. And I’m not saying it should, either. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/156 "2013-10-01T17:38:04Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Actually you’ve undermined it. Your posts and your expression conflict with your stated views. Say again? Because I am participating in this discussion, I have somehow undermined myself? Choosing to communicate about my opinions with a bunch of liberal minded intelligent people is now a bad thing. Alrighty then. Got it. Let’s make sure that we only fight ignorance in one way, by sitting quietly while other people tell us what to think and believe. ---
**Author:** ![Mithras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Mithras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithras)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/157 "2013-10-01T17:38:51Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > I’ve never had kimchee. But if I had, and I didn’t like it, then I wouldn’t expect someone to give me shit because I went “Ugh, gross”. Because my opinion of it is just that, an opinion, and holds no bearing over what they choose to eat, or do. > > And I’m not saying it should, either. If someone offered you kimchee and your response was, “Ugh, gross,” that would be pretty damn disrespectful. It’s not as disrespectful as saying you find their sexuality gross. But still, pretty damn disrespectful. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/158 "2013-10-01T17:40:55Z")
> [@Eureka](#): > > The bird that delivers babies is usually called a stork in English, so far as I know. > > In less idiomatic usage, it would take a better bird expert than I to know the difference between a stork and a crane. Thank you, I knew I was getting it wrong but too lazy to try and figure it out… ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/159 "2013-10-01T17:42:47Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Say again? > > Because I am participating in this discussion, I have somehow undermined myself? People who don’t give two shits about something don’t usually rack up the highest number of posts in a thread about that something. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962/160 "2013-10-01T17:43:31Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Say again? > > Because I am participating in this discussion, I have somehow undermined myself? The way you are expressing your opinions undermines the “yeah, I don’t give a shit” thing. For that matter my experience is that people who say “whatever, I don’t care” over and over are protesting too much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-it-wont-watch-glee-anymore/669962.md?page=9)