# That's just not fair CK Haven. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2005, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871 "2005-08-06T14:03:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/181 "2005-08-08T16:25:41Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Ah. I wonder why I wasn’t mailed a link. I guess because they haven’t mentioned how fat and ugly and black I am. > > I wouldn’t worry about it Lib, Anonymous doesn’t like anybody. Thanks for the reassurance. In this case, it was probably more like some sort of infantile jealousy based on their ignorance and lack of self-control. I am fat, though. Ugly too. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/182 "2005-08-08T16:29:46Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Thanks for the reassurance. In this case, it was probably more like some sort of infantile jealousy based on their ignorance and lack of self-control. I am fat, though. Ugly too. Yeah, it’s because they’re all jealous. That’s why nobody likes you. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/183 "2005-08-08T16:30:56Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I was simply saying that she was right to have speculated, albeit it with the expectation she would be kicked off the board. Let me join in calling bullshit very loudly on this assertion. Bullshit! One cannot (or at least should not) go around accusing people of unsavory behavior with no justification. As far as I could see, the only similarity between what I have written about **Liberal** and what was contained in the OP by **gum** was that both myself and those people were writing things about **Liberal** that were not very nice. Based on this, she(?) implied that I was a cowardly chicken, or some such bullshit. As I noted in the disappeared thread, I’ve made my views of those kinds of boards known in the past: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6217751&postcount=27](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6217751&postcount=27) I’d rather not be falsely and blindly accused of participating in that kind of thing based on the speculation of some dumbass twit. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/184 "2005-08-08T16:31:29Z")
> [@](#): > > In this case, it was probably more like some sort of infantile jealousy Actually, I’m pretty sure it’s because you are a squirmy pompous twat. Don’t need to be a jealous infant to spot that. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/185 "2005-08-08T16:32:46Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Those people feel like going off to a community where they can bitch in private. You, on the other hand feel free to bitch in the forum to which it is appropriate, this very forum. Honestly, why would you have to go to a separate place? It was a bit more than that. It was an attempt to wrestle the powers of moderation away from the SDMB staff. They accused the staff of failing to moderate me sufficiently for their tastes. It was an active conspiracy to produce a banning, complete with false accusations and historical fiction. For that sort of activity, you would have to go to a separate place. It would not be allowed here. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/186 "2005-08-08T16:34:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Actually, I’m pretty sure it’s because you are a squirmy pompous twat. Don’t need to be a jealous infant to spot that. […shrug…] I don’t like you either. But I’ll say that right here. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/187 "2005-08-08T16:36:41Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > I’d rather not be falsely and blindly accused of participating in that kind of thing based on the speculation of some dumbass twit. Let me express my own unreserved surety that you in particular were not involved in that incident. We’ve locked heads and engaged in our share of rhetorical violence. But you’ve always had the knack to knock it off when appropriate. You are, for example, an excellent GD participant. I’ve never lost any respect for you despite our incompatibilities. I know that you are a man above such pettiness. No question in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/188 "2005-08-08T16:37:40Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > \ One cannot (or at least should not) go around accusing people of unsavory behavior with no justification. Quite true. However, I didn’t see the poster as having no justification, but instead as having the analysis of text as justification. Furthermore- > [@Liberal](#): > > It was an attempt to wrestle the powers of moderation away from the SDMB staff. Oh. I must not have paid enough attention. I thought **gum** was being sincere. Never mind, then. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/189 "2005-08-08T16:41:38Z")
> [@Scott](#): > > I must not have paid enough attention. I thought gum was being sincere. Not Gum, Scott. The participants. _They_ were drawing up the plans. Gum was pissed off about it. And he was sincere. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/190 "2005-08-08T16:43:00Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Admit it ETF, you’re jealous of my unsatiable nastiness. That would be “ **in** satiable,” you ham-handed twinky. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/191 "2005-08-08T16:47:15Z")
So what happens to **gum**? A pass because he is “sincere”? While it may be true that Binarydrone, as such, is just a persona, but it is a persona that I have invested time in and attempted to be honest with. This whole thing just stinks. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/192 "2005-08-08T16:49:26Z")
**gum** is a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/193 "2005-08-08T16:51:47Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > **gum** is a woman. I really don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/194 "2005-08-08T16:53:56Z")
Oh, and for the record **Liberal** , while I do still feel that you get a pass on the rules that apply to the rest of us, and while I still am at a loss as to why this is OK, I do want to make clear that this is based on what I have seen on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/195 "2005-08-08T16:56:45Z")
Oh dear Lord, this thread, she has hit the bag of shit laying on the track. The explosion, the wreckage. . . What has happened to my sweet, sweet thread? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/196 "2005-08-08T17:08:49Z")
Actually ETF I looked it up before you said that (it didn’t feel right), most just say “insatiable is generally used”. 😛 > [@](#): > > **Liberal:** > I don’t like you either. But I’ll say that right here. Same, same for me. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/197 "2005-08-08T17:11:21Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Oh dear Lord, this thread, she has hit the bag of shit laying on the track. The explosion, the wreckage. . . > > What has happened to my sweet, sweet thread? I think you could request it be closed. I, for one, would applaud that decision. I have put my name on any “snark” threads out there, and wouldn’t say anything there I wouldn’t say here. For example, I said I thought Liberal was acting like an asshole lately (esp. in 2 threads, 1 of which prompted this thread). I did not participate in plotting to get him banned or whatever. I did ask why he’s allowed to be a jerk when being a jerk is against the rules. I echoed that sentiment here. I have nothing to hide except my identity! From what I’ve seen, the anon threads are pretty horrible… if for no other reason, you can’t follow a conversation when everyone is named “anonymous.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/198 "2005-08-08T17:14:07Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I tend to agree. I didn’t want to see **Reeder** banned, or **Collounsbury** , or **december** , or even **milroyj**. I realise that i’m in a pretty small minority, though. I have a hunch that “pretty small minority” is probably a fairly sizeable plurality. But as human nature goes, the people who agree with your ‘shouldn’t have been banned’ sentiments aren’t going to waste their time or energy arguing with a bullheaded, edict-laden staff and the members that are in their ‘amen corner’. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/199 "2005-08-08T17:46:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh, and for the record **Liberal** , while I do still feel that you get a pass on the rules that apply to the rest of us Y’know, I have never received a report against **Liberal** in which he was doing anything different than a dozen other posters–often in the same thread. I don’t see him “getting a pass” on actual actions. (Frankly, I rarely get reports against **Liberal** , but that may be due to most of the friction occurring in **The Pit** instead of **GD**.) I do see **Liberal** taking odd approaches to language and meaning. I occasionally see him throwing a snide comment into a thread where it was not welcome (the prompt thread for this one being a fine example). On the other hand, if we warned every poster for unwarranted snideness, the staff would spend about four hours a day issuing warnings. There are more than a dozen posters who _routinely_ interrupt religious discussions to made snide remarks about imaginary sky pixies or bronze age thunder gods or whatever catch-phrase is current this week. The major difference between their posts and those of **Liberal** is that most other posters simply ignore them, recognizing a one-off sarcastic comment as being unworthy of debate. No thread gets started on education or the economy (or child-rearing or a host of other topics) without some partisan twit posting a one-liner condemning liberalism/conservatism/Bush/Clinton/Political Correctness/hate groups/the military/educational establishment/Designated Hitter for the fall of civilization. Most of those silly posts either get ignored or evoke a similar one-line dismissal. Yet, if the author is **Liberal** , suddenly it is a hijacking and the cause is “ **Liberal** making the thread about himself.” I do not have a good answer for finding ways to communicate to **Liberal** just what it is about his posting style that riles up the folks with torches and pitchforks, but from a staff position, I am finding it difficult to see where I have cut **Liberal** any slack that I have not extended to a whole host of other posters. The main complaint seems to be that we should punish **Liberal** because it would not be fair to punish the dozens of posters who insist on attacking him or arguing with him. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/200 "2005-08-08T17:56:22Z")
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