# That's just not fair CK Haven. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2005, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871 "2005-08-06T14:03:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/341 "2005-08-15T00:48:37Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Takes two to tango and whatnot. Sure–and one of the two is the person originally posting the hijacking material. Why should the onus be on everybody else to ignore that person, rather than on him or her to avoid the derailment in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/342 "2005-08-15T01:55:03Z")
> [@](#): > > So then why should anybody be banned ever? For violating the rules of the board. As of yet, the operators of this service have not judged that **lib’s** ocnduct fits that criteria. On post cannot derail a thread. If other posters choose to answer **lib** instead of focusing on other elements then there are several reasonable courses of behavior one might take. Here, I’ll even suggest one that I have seen be successful in the past. [ul]'Hey, Lib, do you mind taking that point to it’s own thread? I’d really like to focus this discussion on . . . "[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/343 "2005-08-15T02:01:00Z")
> [@Hunter Hawk](#): > > Sure–and one of the two is the person originally posting the hijacking material. Why should the onus be on everybody else to ignore that person, rather than on him or her to avoid the derailment in the first place? It isn’t. There is no onus on other people whatsoever. However, they must specifically choose to both read and respond to any hijack. If other people choose that course, why should that be considered damning to **Lib**? If you chooose that course, then you look pretty petty asking for him to be banned simply because you cannot control your own behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/344 "2005-08-15T04:18:40Z")
> [@Spiritus Mundi](#): > > For violating the rules of the board. You’ll note that a lot of the guidelines for posting on the board would be nonissues if the posters would just hold hands, sing kumbaya, and ignore posts they didn’t approve of. After all, I _could_ just ignore spam, I _could_ just ignore misquoting, I _could_ just ignore **Handy’s** posts on medical issues, et cetera. > [@](#): > > As of yet, the operators of this service have not judged that **lib’s** ocnduct fits that criteria. True. > [@](#): > > On post cannot derail a thread. If other posters choose to answer **lib** instead of focusing on other elements then there are several reasonable courses of behavior one might take. Yeah, and another reasonable course of behavior would be to show a bit of decorum and not hijack the thread in the first place. Sure, everybody is going to do the occasional drive-by, but engaging in a consistent, repeated pattern of hijacking is a bit excessive. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/345 "2005-08-15T04:20:21Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Just a casual search of the Pit for the last few years of Liberal/Libertarian Pittings. [my](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=217753) [two](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302947). (Interesting that he’s got fully 40% of my pittings of board members!) Daniel ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/346 "2005-08-15T04:34:49Z")
> [@Spiritus Mundi](#): > > On post cannot derail a thread. And trolls are a figment of our imagination. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/347 "2005-08-15T05:14:03Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > And trolls are a figment of our imagination. :rolleyes: There is a difference between grinding an axe or two and being a troll. I’ve been away from the boards for a while, but at one time at least public accusations of trolldom were frowned upon. If you think that **liberal’s** posts are trollish, then report them privately to the mods as is appropriate. If you do not, then the parallel you draw is intentionally dishonest. > [@HunterHawk](#): > > You’ll note that a lot of the guidelines for posting on the board would be nonissues if the posters would just hold hands, sing kumbaya, and ignore posts they didn’t approve of. What I note is that some posters cannot conceive of gradations of behavior between open hostility and panglossian bliss. I find it immensely ironic that folks with such a limited repertoire of response have chosen to grind this particular axe with **liberal**. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/348 "2005-08-15T06:34:05Z")
> [@Spiritus Mundi](#): > > There is a difference between grinding an axe or two and being a troll. I’ve been away from the boards for a while, but at one time at least public accusations of trolldom were frowned upon. If you think that **liberal’s** posts are trollish, then report them privately to the mods as is appropriate. If you do not, then the parallel you draw is intentionally dishonest. Oh, fuck-off, you sanctimonious prick! I gave you a straight forward response to what I felt – and feel – was an asinine comment of yours. If you want to bring **Lib** into the picture, that’s on _you_ if you think he fits the bill. I wasn’t even thinking of the pin-headed asswipe at the time. Lord knows I can be direct when I want to. Again, IMNSHO, it’s simply downright _stupid_ to say that: _“On(sic) post cannot derail a thread”_, because that’s exactly what trolls do! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/349 "2005-08-15T11:08:19Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Interesting that he’s got fully 40% of my pittings of board members! Not overly so. The inability to exercise self-control is not that uncommon in adults these days. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/350 "2005-08-15T11:09:58Z")
This is _still_ going on? Holy cow, how much can you talk to a poster about the same damn thing? Apparently for seven pages and counting. Save your breath (or finger muscles) folks. Either Lib will stop derailing threads or he won’t. Nothing you can say will influence him one way or the other, as he’ll continue to do what he wants. I just wanted to take the administration to task for dancing to Lib’s tune. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/351 "2005-08-15T11:41:09Z")
Good on you for admonishing all those folks who derailed your thread — which you had intended for the staff — to save their breath (or finger muscles). Maybe they’ll begin to take their own advice. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/352 "2005-08-15T14:59:08Z")
Sorry **Spiritus** , **Redfury** has refuted you with one simple line. You are trying to be so enlightened on this point that you are completely obtuse. Trolls exist and books need editors. Written arguments can be derailed in a number of ways. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/353 "2005-08-15T17:13:59Z")
I think somebody needs the hijack cops [over here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=330257). ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/354 "2005-08-15T17:16:50Z")
> [@Hunter Hawk](#): > > Sure–and one of the two is the person originally posting the hijacking material. Why should the onus be on everybody else to ignore that person, rather than on him or her to avoid the derailment in the first place? I was neither the first to mention capitalists nor the first to mention right-wingers. You can’t have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/355 "2005-08-15T17:25:51Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I think somebody needs the hijack cops [over here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=330257). Perhaps you should go say something. ---
**Author:** ![Tracy\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@Tracy\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tracy_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/356 "2005-08-15T19:18:03Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I was neither the first to mention capitalists nor the first to mention right-wingers. You can’t have it both ways. Yes, but you were the first to put the serious focus on both (as opposed to a throwaway line or joke). Do you understand the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/357 "2005-08-15T19:19:57Z")
In a message board free of coercion, the market would be allowed to decide the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/358 "2005-08-15T20:52:52Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Perhaps you should go say something. Perhaps it is telling that no one cares. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/359 "2005-08-15T20:54:53Z")
> [@Tracy Lord](#): > > Yes, but you were the first to put the serious focus on both (as opposed to a throwaway line or joke). Do you understand the difference? Certainly. A serious focus allows for a genuine discussion of the issues, whereas a throwaway line is a waste of bandwidth. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/360 "2005-08-15T21:51:56Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Certainly. A serious focus allows for a genuine discussion of the issues, whereas a throwaway line is a waste of bandwidth. Now see this, **Lib** , is why people are getting so pissed at you. The thread was not INTENDED to be a “genuine discussion of the issues”, at least, not THOSE issues. It was about something else entirely. And so people called you on your shit. For a more tangible example, I could take your mention of bandwidth above and hijack this thread into a discussion about bandwidth and theft of. Do you seriously not see WHY this annoys people? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871.md?page=19)