# That's just not fair CK Haven. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2005, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871 "2005-08-06T14:03:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/41 "2005-08-06T17:39:51Z")
NAACP spokesman: “The confederate flag is a symbol of oppression” Cobert: “The kids LOVE symbols of oppression” Did you see the guy’s eyes when Cobert said that. Oh man, how does he keep a straight face? Anyway, I agree the thread shouldn’t have been closed. The mods should have just told **Liberal** to fuck off and let the CS crowd have their fun. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/42 "2005-08-06T17:45:20Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I think they have gotten sharper and more wicked lately–it’s like lancing a boil. > There was a show on recently where Stewart eviscerated the guest–guy wrote a book: 100 Things Wrong with America or some such…relentless and rapier. Bernie Goldberg? I think that’s who it was. The great thing about Stewart is that even when he slaughters someone, they usually manage to maintain a friendly note-which is the case with Goldberg. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/43 "2005-08-06T18:05:22Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > About thread hijacking: it takes more than one person to cause this. > > I see a lot of potentially hijacking posts that DON’T derail the threads they are in BECAUSE no one else follows along on the side track and instead further posts stick to the OP subject. > > If you read a post and it seems to you out of place, why not just ignore it? Or do that ‘report to a moderator’? \ Exactly. What do you do in real life when someone is always making off-topic comments? Just ignore them until they have something germane to say. I know you guys like to get really worked up about partisan politics, but give it a rest. Quit playing **Lib’s** game. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/44 "2005-08-06T18:18:25Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > Exactly. What do you do in real life when someone is always making off-topic comments? Just ignore them until they have something germane to say. I know you guys like to get really worked up about partisan politics, but give it a rest. Quit playing **Lib’s** game. I agree with this advice, and have given it myself; however, I’ve also on many occasions ignored my own advice on this matter, so I can’t chastize others for being weak. Nonetheless, folks, be strong, and quit playing a game you don’t like–it’s good advice, if difficult to follow. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/45 "2005-08-06T18:21:46Z")
I confess the temptation to throw a political shit-bomb into [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=328679), but I realize that would be wrong–and I did, after all, say it was a bad idea to play that game. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/46 "2005-08-06T18:34:44Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I confess the temptation to throw a political shit-bomb into [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=328679), but I realize that would be wrong–and I did, after all, say it was a bad idea to play that game. > > Daniel Your right not to do it, but it would be funny. Looks a little political to me. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/47 "2005-08-06T18:43:39Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > Your right not to do it, but it would be funny. Looks a little political to me. Not only should no one do it because it’s not even funny when _one_ poster plays that type of game, but because, at this point, it’d be retributory. Or, in other words, trolling. So, let’s put a kibosh on the idea in case anyone reading this thread tries to pick it up and run with it. (None of this is to be read as if either **Left Hand of Dorkness** or **jrfranchi** were encouraging such activities. I’m just cutting the idea off at the pass.) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/48 "2005-08-06T18:52:12Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > Not only should no one do it because it’s not even funny when _one_ poster plays that type of game, but because, at this point, it’d be retributory. Or, in other words, trolling. So, let’s put a kibosh on the idea in case anyone reading this thread tries to pick it up and run with it. (None of this is to be read as if either **Left Hand of Dorkness** or **jrfranchi** were encouraging such activities. I’m just cutting the idea off at the pass.) Looking Sheepish, your right, not funny at all. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/49 "2005-08-06T19:05:45Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > Looking Sheepish, your right, not funny at all. Sorry. No worries. No one was being admonished for doing anything wrong; I just wanted to make sure everyone understood **Left Hand of Dorkness** ’ idea was just him musing and not suggesting. Just a pre-emptive strike on my part. ---
**Author:** ![SlyFrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SlyFrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlyFrog)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/50 "2005-08-06T19:35:38Z")
I was thinking that this thread would be incredibly funny if it started as a **Liberal** centered pissing match and then got converted into a light hearted discussion about the Daily Show. Interestingly enough, for a bunch of posts about 5-6 before this one, it happened. Then the wheels came off. Oh well, you had your fleeting moment. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/51 "2005-08-06T19:40:46Z")
> [@SlyFrog](#): > > I was thinking that this thread would be incredibly funny if it started as a **Liberal** centered pissing match and then got converted into a light hearted discussion about the Daily Show. Interestingly enough, for a bunch of posts about 5-6 before this one, it happened. Then the wheels came off. > > Oh well, you had your fleeting moment. Okay: {I hope doing this isn’t wrong, no one gets hurt} What determines when the Back in Black segments will appear? They are infrequent and my favorite regular feature. Did anyone actually like the old Pre-Jon version of the show. I remember occasionally watching it and not finding it funny. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/52 "2005-08-06T19:43:34Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > Did anyone actually like the old Pre-Jon version of the show. I remember occasionally watching it and not finding it funny. Craig Kilborn’s got nothing on Jon Stewart. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/53 "2005-08-06T19:44:46Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Craig Kilborn’s got nothing on Jon Stewart. Craig Kilborn used to host that show? Possibly the unfunniest, least-talented man ever to be given his own television show? Yeesh. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/54 "2005-08-06T19:47:43Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Craig Kilborn used to host that show? > > Possibly the unfunniest, least-talented man ever to be given his own television show? > > Yeesh. Wow, I never made the connection, that the amazingly unfunny host of the “The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn” was the Old Daily Show stiff. I have to agree with you mhendo. No wonder I always turned it off back then. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/55 "2005-08-06T19:55:22Z")
Some of the remote segments were still funny under Kilborn, and his 5 questions bit was sometimes amusing, but the show was less political and less serious back then. I also don’t remeber Kilborn ever really challenging political guests, and I don’t think he went out of his way to find interesting writers with something to say the way Jon Stewart does. I’ve added more than one book to my reading list from watching TDS. I think that Kilborn’s era had more of the standard vacuous actors plugging sitcoms and movies. Stewart does a lot less of that. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/56 "2005-08-06T20:00:16Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I also don’t remeber Kilborn ever really challenging political guests, and I don’t think he went out of his way to find interesting writers with something to say the way Jon Stewart does. Well, to be fair, i don’t think Jon Stewart’s exactly a very challenging interviewer, either. He does get some very interesting people, but often i feel that he doesn’t make the most of the opportunity. He can’t seem to decide whether he wants to ask serious, penetrating questions, or do a Jay Leno-style content-free comedy riff with the guest. It gets on my nerves at times. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/57 "2005-08-06T20:09:46Z")
The fact that he ever challenges anyone at all is unsual for a talk show host (not counting pundit shows, of course). I think he actually challenges journalists more than he challenges politicians. The lack of spine by the US political press seems to bother him more than conservative politicians do. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/58 "2005-08-06T20:13:25Z")
Jon Stewart is at his best when the Pols/pundits do the work of creating the comedy themselves. Is interviews with stars pushing lame movies are usually lame. Interviews are usually the slowest part of the show. Some have good, some have been informative but most are not funny. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/59 "2005-08-06T20:48:09Z")
Has he ever had Barak Obama on the show? Obama was on an NPR comedy show this morning (“Wait Wait”), and while the show itself is only mildly amusing, Obama was freakin’ hilarious. I’d love to see him and Jon playing off each other. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/60 "2005-08-06T20:50:47Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Has he ever had Barak Obama on the show? Obama was on an NPR comedy show this morning (“Wait Wait”), and while the show itself is only mildly amusing, Obama was freakin’ hilarious. I’d love to see him and Jon playing off each other. > > Daniel That’s weird, I just heard the NPR show for the first time today. I thought Obama was great. I think you’re telling me not to listen normally. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871.md?page=4)