# That's just not fair CK Haven. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2005, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871 "2005-08-06T14:03:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/101 "2005-08-07T16:31:10Z")
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**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/102 "2005-08-07T16:32:45Z")
> [@fruitbat](#): > > I hardly think the solution is to ban him. Hell, if you pull up any long thread from a couple of years ago you will find that a surprising number of the posters have banned under their names. If I had my druthers I would just do a mass unbanning and take em all back. I tend to agree. I didn’t want to see **Reeder** banned, or **Collounsbury** , or **december** , or even **milroyj**. I realise that i’m in a pretty small minority, though. ---
**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/103 "2005-08-07T16:40:59Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I tend to agree. I didn’t want to see **Reeder** banned, or **Collounsbury** , or **december** , or even **milroyj**. I realise that i’m in a pretty small minority, though. I am with you. With the exception of blatant trolls I would keep them all. Kooks and idiots keep things interesting. Given the way the board is moderated however, I find the latitude that Lib is given is just absurd. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/104 "2005-08-07T16:48:27Z")
I’m with you **mhendo** (and fuitbat). Free the Shithead Four! I actually am in favour of relaxing the “troll” rules. But this thread is about why Liberal gets a pass on _current_ guidelines that, ISTM, got **december** and **Reeder** banned. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/105 "2005-08-07T17:00:29Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Of course you can’t. Not with my magical powers. You have magical ass showing powers?? You must be a citizen of Xanith. 🙂 A fun power at parties and stuffy gatherings I’m sure but not all that useful in a practical sense. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/106 "2005-08-07T17:02:52Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Has he ever had Barak Obama on the show? Obama was on an NPR comedy show this morning (“Wait Wait”), and while the show itself is only mildly amusing, Obama was freakin’ hilarious. I’d love to see him and Jon playing off each other. > > Daniel I heard that show. He was very witty. It made me like him even more. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/107 "2005-08-07T17:03:29Z")
FWIW, **cosmosdan** , and not that I have any moral prerogative to say this, but I think it’d be worthwhile not to let Lib continue to make the thread be about his perception of “communal leftwing peacocking,” and let his posts on that topic sink without response; I find discussion of the show more interesting to read. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/108 "2005-08-07T17:07:14Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I heard that show. He was very witty. It made me like him even more. Sorry, missed this in passing :). Yeah, it’s the first time I’d heard Obama extemporize, and I was surprised and delighted: normally politicians on shows are extremely lame when it comes to their attempts at humor (what was it Stewart said to a political guest once? Something like, “Comedy is extremely difficult. Don’t try it.”) Obama, man, he was all over teh funny, giving better than he got to the host. His only misstep was his answer to the, “You running for president?” question, and even then, it was less of a misstep than most ambitious politicians give to the question. Based solely on that show, if you want a guy who can project A Great Guy to Grab a Beer With, Obama’s the guy. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/109 "2005-08-07T17:08:46Z")
> [@Barely Adequate](#): > > I thought that too, until the next night when I saw Bernie and Bill O’Reilly having a whine-fest over how Stewart had “mistreated” him and his latest “literary” offering. Goldberg got soundly skewered on TDS but waited until in was on home-territory with O’Reilly to exsanguinate in public. Bernie puts up a good front, but he’s much more thin-skinned than he allowed Stewart to see. > > -Richard Well, to be fair, after I saw that interview I was amazed. An author goes on interviews to promote his book sales and it’s considered bad manners for the host to trash his book in public while interviewing him. Jon was right and funny but still…you wouldn’t expect Bernie to be to pleased. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/110 "2005-08-07T17:11:06Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Sorry, missed this in passing :). Yeah, it’s the first time I’d heard Obama extemporize, and I was surprised and delighted: normally politicians on shows are extremely lame when it comes to their attempts at humor (what was it Stewart said to a political guest once? Something like, “Comedy is extremely difficult. Don’t try it.”) Obama, man, he was all over teh funny, giving better than he got to the host. His only misstep was his answer to the, “You running for president?” question, and even then, it was less of a misstep than most ambitious politicians give to the question. > > Based solely on that show, if you want a guy who can project A Great Guy to Grab a Beer With, Obama’s the guy. > > Daniel I had to go back to work and missed part of it. What was therunning for president thing? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/111 "2005-08-07T17:15:32Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I had to go back to work and missed part of it. What was therunning for president thing? They fooled around about how, if he was going to run for President, there could be no better platform from which to launch his candidacy than a third-rate NPR quiz show, and asked him (from memory), “So, tell us your intentions.” He immediately responded, “My intentions are to go home and wash the dishes, like my wife told me to.” A non-answer, but at least he didn’t say, “I have no intention of running for president,” like too many politicians lie, or say something equally obfuscatory. His answer was clearly saying, “Fuck off, none of your business,” only nicer. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/112 "2005-08-07T17:25:51Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > They fooled around about how, if he was going to run for President, there could be no better platform from which to launch his candidacy than a third-rate NPR quiz show, and asked him (from memory), “So, tell us your intentions.” > > He immediately responded, “My intentions are to go home and wash the dishes, like my wife told me to.” > > A non-answer, but at least he didn’t say, “I have no intention of running for president,” like too many politicians lie, or say something equally obfuscatory. His answer was clearly saying, “Fuck off, none of your business,” only nicer. > > Daniel Yeah thats direct and in good humor. Why did you call it a misstep? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/113 "2005-08-07T17:31:28Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Yeah thats direct and in good humor. Why did you call it a misstep? It’s a small one to me, but I would have preferred a straightforward answer like, “Yeah, I’m considering a run, but I’ve damn sure not decided yet.” It’s just a pet peeve of mine when politicians (or anyone, for that matter) refuses to answer a question directly. You could easily infer his meaning, but given that his meaning was plain, why not just say it plainly? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/114 "2005-08-07T17:33:02Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > FWIW, **cosmosdan** , and not that I have any moral prerogative to say this, but I think it’d be worthwhile not to let Lib continue to make the thread be about his perception of “communal leftwing peacocking,” and let his posts on that topic sink without response; I find discussion of the show more interesting to read. > > Daniel BTW, Usually, I just can’t resist a good straight line. I’m afraid I’m guilty of a few drive by jokes in otherwise serious threads. **Liberal** doesn’t get under my skin the way he seems to for some. When he has something interesting to say I respond. When he doesn’t I don’t. There seem to be other posters who are far more insulting and useless as they hang around the pit cussing people out at every opportunity. If their actions are tolerated then certainly **Liberal** can be. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/115 "2005-08-07T17:38:28Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I’m afraid I’m guilty of a few drive by jokes in otherwise serious threads. **Liberal** doesn’t get under my skin the way he seems to for some. When he has something interesting to say I respond. When he doesn’t I don’t. Fair enough. I do the drive-by jokes sometimes, too; what I try not to do is the drive-by venomous attacks. THOSE are what get under my skin. When he’s joking around, he can be pretty funny (although even then, his jokes are often pretty venomous). But if you’re responding because that’s where you’d like the thread to go, then of course that’s your prerogative. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/116 "2005-08-07T17:46:38Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > It’s a small one to me, but I would have preferred a straightforward answer like, “Yeah, I’m considering a run, but I’ve damn sure not decided yet.” > > It’s just a pet peeve of mine when politicians (or anyone, for that matter) refuses to answer a question directly. You could easily infer his meaning, but given that his meaning was plain, why not just say it plainly? > > Daniel Hmmmm interesting. I prefer his answer. I don’t think it would be smart to acknowledge presidential dreams this early in his career. His answer had a certain down home quality while making it clear that he doesn’t want to discuss it now. He might have said he wanted to learn to be an effective Senator before he considered any thing else. There’s so much baltant dishonesty in politics that I have more respect for anyone who manages to deal with all the rhetoric and interviews and still remain primarily honest and truthful. I don’t believe a direct question always requires a direct answer in the sense that you address the subject of the question. I choose not to discuss that right now is direct and honest, and more importently, a nessecary tool for politicians. If you can say it with flair, all the better. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/117 "2005-08-07T17:50:02Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I don’t believe a direct question always requires a direct answer in the sense that you address the subject of the question. I choose not to discuss that right now is direct and honest, and more importently, a nessecary tool for politicians. If you can say it with flair, all the better. Fair enough; maybe it wasn’t a misstep after all, given that it may just be my own pet peeve, and the man’s got my vote in any election in which he runs unless I find out a) he’s secretly Karl Rove’s next protege, or b) he’s running opposite Ursula K. Le Guin. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/118 "2005-08-07T17:52:54Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Fair enough. I do the drive-by jokes sometimes, too; what I try not to do is the drive-by venomous attacks. THOSE are what get under my skin. When he’s joking around, he can be pretty funny (although even then, his jokes are often pretty venomous). > > But if you’re responding because that’s where you’d like the thread to go, then of course that’s your prerogative. > > Daniel I agree with you on the drive by venom. I’ve been in a couple of threads where I’ve been accused of being a idiot, and a bigot, among other things just because I didn’t agree with someone. I try to refrain form those kinds of insults. I do enjoy a little well placed sarcasm though. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/119 "2005-08-07T18:01:58Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I do enjoy a little well placed sarcasm though. Yeah, right, and I don’t. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871/120 "2005-08-07T18:08:10Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Fair enough; maybe it wasn’t a misstep after all, given that it may just be my own pet peeve, and the man’s got my vote in any election in which he runs unless I find out > a) he’s secretly Karl Rove’s next protege, or > b) he’s running opposite Ursula K. Le Guin. > > Daniel Funny. I wasn’t familar with Ursula so I looked her up. Imagine my surprise. I was expecting some political figure I wasn’t aware of. I enjoyed her a Message on Messages. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-not-fair-ck-haven/315871.md?page=7)