# That's just sad now, Kanye West. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 29, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663 "2019-10-29T18:25:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/41 "2019-11-18T09:01:01Z")
well ok i was being snarky that even though they have clothes and makeup empires and the tv show it seems if they need a boost in attention someone wears something skimpy or poses “artfully” nude in a fashion mag or shows up to a red carpet event in a see-through dress …although its the younger pair that seems to do the last a lot more recently ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/42 "2019-11-18T10:11:03Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > well ok i was being snarky that even though they have clothes and makeup empires and the tv show it seems if they need a boost in attention someone wears something skimpy or poses “artfully” nude in a fashion mag or shows up to a red carpet event in a see-through dress …although its the younger pair that seems to do the last a lot more recently Maybe they just _like_ being near nude? And - that’s my quota of defending the horrible, for the next 12 months. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/43 "2019-11-18T12:08:43Z")
Bizarre as it may sound, I think that Kanye and Kim actually have a healthy, stable relationship. They both agree on what they want out of the relationship, and they’re both OK with that, and they’re both getting it. It’s just that what they both want is attention, more than affection. And how _do_ the Kardashians make their living, if not by posing nude or near-nude? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/44 "2019-11-18T12:47:54Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And how _do_ the Kardashians make their living, if not by posing nude or near-nude? Kim doesn’t have to take her clothes off to command 6 figures for a public appearance. They get paid more to keep clothes on, I’m sure. Kendall Jenner is the highest paid model in the world and that isn’t all Victoria’s Secret, quite a lot is fashion work. Their main TV show has been running for 11 years. With many spinoffs. That can’t be chump change. And they sell a shitload of actual products - clothes, makeup, fragrances. Kylie, the youngest, is also _by far_ the richest, most of that off makeup. TBH, like I said, I hate the Kardashians, but I hate this kind of criticism of them _way_ more, coming as it does with the unmistakable whiff of slut-shaming, and hence being essentially misogynistic in character. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/45 "2019-11-18T13:25:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > There’s plenty of good Christian music. It just isn’t made by people who call themselves “Christian musicians”. If you’re a good rock singer who’s Christian, you call yourself a rock singer. If you’re a good rapper who’s Christian, you call yourself a rapper. If you’re a mediocre musician (of any sort) who’s Christian, then you call yourself a Christian musician, and sell to people who don’t care about quality as long as it’s Christian. Christian music isn’t merely music performed by a Christian. It’s music performed for the purpose of proselytizing or glorifying the religion. Using your definition, yeah there’s a ton and probably a significant portion of all music made in the US is Christian music. If you use my definition, the ratio of good to bad Christian music is pretty low. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/46 "2019-11-18T15:31:21Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t often find babylonbee all that funny, but that is great. One truth that seems to be universal is that modern Christian music is consistently mediocre. I like the PJ O’Rourke line from _Holidays in Hell_ when he visits a music store at the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker theme park Heritage USA. > [@](#): > > There wasn’t an album titled “I Found Jesus and Lost My Talent” but I’m sure that’s just an oversight. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/47 "2019-11-18T15:52:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Maybe they just _like_ being near nude? > > And - that’s my quota of defending the horrible, for the next 12 months. Sorry, quotas reset every calendar year. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Christian music isn’t merely music performed by a Christian. It’s music performed for the purpose of proselytizing or glorifying the religion. Using your definition, yeah there’s a ton and probably a significant portion of all music made in the US is Christian music. If you use my definition, the ratio of good to bad Christian music is pretty low. Not he’s right. There are quite a few artists that have been outwardly Christian and performed Christian music by your definition but are not known primarily as Christian music. Elvis, Johnny Cash, Ray Charles. Kansas had many songs with Christian themes without specifically naming Jesus but they are known as rock not Christian rock. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/48 "2019-11-18T20:31:07Z")
Well, yes, the Kardashians make money for clothed appearances, too, but only because they’re famous. And so far as anyone can determine, they’re famous for doing porn videos. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/49 "2019-11-18T21:27:06Z")
> [@Hermitian](#): > > As a Christian, all I can say is ugh. > > You should not be a follower of Jesus to get big tax returns. That is something straight out of the playbook of television prosperity teachers. And I wasn’t surprised to see that he made an appearance on Joel Osteen’s program. Of course, only God knows what’s in Kanye’s heart, but I just think this guy will do almost anything for publicity. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/50 "2019-11-18T22:16:20Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > My evangelical relatives think Kanye has truly found Jesus, and are thrilled that such a big celebrity is brave enough to go public about his faith. > > 😑 Wait until they find out he is bipolar and he thinks he is jesus. The guy is having serious psychiatric problems in public and we just laugh at him. It sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Teddie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@Teddie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teddie)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/51 "2019-11-18T23:07:30Z")
I remember listening to Late Registration by Kanye in about 2004, I was blown away by what a great album it was. I still listen to it and love it. I just have to forget about what Kanye has now become, he’s mentally ill imo. I also love Kate Bush but found out she’s a Tory 😮 This almost sent me over the edge, along with finding out that Tracey Emin is also A member of the Blue Party. I’ve just had to separate my mind from the fact that Bush created beautiful music when young and had no money. She, like Emin, grew rich and forgot their roots. They got rich and became Tory ☹ KW, I think he’s just ill. Mentally ill, no judgement held here upon him. I still adore listening to Late Registration followed by the Miss Education of Lauren Hill. Ahhh, the beautiful Miss Hill, who never forgot her roots and turned conservative…if only Emin and Bush had been so loyal. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2019, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/52 "2019-11-19T01:09:05Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Wait until they find out he is bipolar and he thinks he is jesus. > > The guy is having serious psychiatric problems in public and we just laugh at him. It sucks. I think they managed to figure that one out in a hurry…they never even commented on the album. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/53 "2019-11-20T08:54:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Well, yes, the Kardashians make money for clothed appearances, too, but only because they’re famous. And so far as anyone can determine, they’re famous for doing porn videos. Sure, no one had _ever_ heard of Bruce Jenner or Robert Kardashian before Kim made a sex tape. And characterizing it as a “porn video” is just disingenuous. It was a private sex tape. Just further slut shaming on your part, basically. And it was just the one tape. “videos” is just wrong. The audience demographic for _KUWTK_ is undoubtedly not the audience demographic for Kim’s sex tape, either. But it \*is \*the same audience for reality shows like _The Simple Life_ and the tabloids that Kim was already appearing in. And what “porn video” has Kylie made? You know, the billionaire of the bunch… ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/54 "2019-11-20T09:50:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > And characterizing it as a “porn video” is just disingenuous. It was a private sex tape. Just further slut shaming on your part, basically. Oh, so you are slut shaming shaming now? (Ooops, now I’m slut shaming shaming shaming.) ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/55 "2019-11-20T10:06:42Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Sure, no one had _ever_ heard of Bruce Jenner or Robert Kardashian before Kim made a sex tape. > > And characterizing it as a “porn video” is just disingenuous. It was a private sex tape. Just further slut shaming on your part, basically. > > And it was just the one tape. “videos” is just wrong. > > The audience demographic for _KUWTK_ is undoubtedly not the audience demographic for Kim’s sex tape, either. But it \*is \*the same audience for reality shows like _The Simple Life_ and the tabloids that Kim was already appearing in. > > And what “porn video” has Kylie made? You know, the billionaire of the bunch… If you believe that the tape was made for private consumption then you have never heard of Paris Hilton and her fame. And the audience for porn is just about anyone who wants to see famous people fuck. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/56 "2019-11-20T13:05:09Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > If you believe that the tape was made for private consumption then you have never heard of Paris Hilton and her fame. You mean, _another_ private tape that was distributed without consent? How do you think _that_ refutes anything? > [@](#): > > And the audience for porn is just about anyone who wants to see famous people fuck. That audience may not be as big or varied as you seem to think… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/57 "2019-11-21T00:42:05Z")
Do you really believe that there’s the slightest chance that that tape existed for any purpose but to get Kim Kardashian a lot of publicity? And what makes you think I’m shaming her? She wanted to be famous, she found a way to become famous, and her plan was successful. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/58 "2019-11-21T04:41:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Do you really believe that there’s the slightest chance that that tape existed for any purpose but to get Kim Kardashian a lot of publicity? Yes, I think it was just a private sex tape. Apparently lots of people make them. > [@](#): > > And what makes you think I’m shaming her? She wanted to be famous, she found a way to become famous, and her plan was successful. :rolleyes: Dive into literalism if you have to, but that’s a piss-poor defense for characterizing her private activities as porn, or for extending one leaked sex tape into " they’re famous for doing porn videos" as though the entire family is just constantly releasing them. Anyway, slut-shaming needn’t be directed at the person themselves, it’s what you say to the rest of society that matters too. And no counter to the fact she was already on the up-and-up as a celebrity, either. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/59 "2019-11-21T10:42:55Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Yes, I think it was just a private sex tape. Apparently lots of people make them. > > :rolleyes: Dive into literalism if you have to, but that’s a piss-poor defense for characterizing her private activities as porn, or for extending one leaked sex tape into " they’re famous for doing porn videos" as though the entire family is just constantly releasing them. > > Anyway, slut-shaming needn’t be directed at the person themselves, it’s what you say to the rest of society that matters too. > > And no counter to the fact she was already on the up-and-up as a celebrity, either. So what happened to this? > [@](#): > > And - that’s my quota of defending the horrible, for the next 12 months. Yeah, yeah, we get it–you are Woke. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663/60 "2019-11-21T11:18:23Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So what happened to this? That’s a joke, I say, that’s a joke, son. > [@](#): > > Yeah, yeah, we get it–you are Woke. You say it like it’s a bad thing. 😃 Go on, call me a SJW next, that always amuses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-just-sad-now-kanye-west/842663.md?page=4)