# Thats the way to make the US look good! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2005, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622 "2005-10-24T04:23:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2005, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/21 "2005-10-24T10:23:53Z")
I like the idea. There is more to American than Washington. More foreign VIPs ought to see it. I seem to recall that Saint Ronald once had a summit at Jackson Hole WY. Harper’s Ferry WV would also be nice. Come for the Superpower, stay for the scenery. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2005, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/22 "2005-10-24T10:24:11Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > .hell, there might even be a good old fashion riot there depending on how the match goes and who looses. You are way outta date. This isn’t really a problem anymore in Britain and hasn’t been for some time. > [@Imasquare](#): > > p until Tom DeLay got himself into hot water very few people in the UK, Australia or most likely anywhere else would have any idea who he is. Even now most people would just recognise his name and that he’s an American politician. Straw would be of the same level as Rummie or Condi. That said I guarantee it wouldn’t take long to find people on any high street in the UK that wouldn’t recognise Straw from a photo. I wouldn’t expect a lot of Americans to know him. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2005, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/23 "2005-10-24T10:33:34Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > You are way outta date. This isn’t really a problem anymore in Britain and hasn’t been for some time. Can I get a cite for that? [This is the type of information I’ve been seeing…](http://www.guardian.co.uk/hooligans/article/0,2763,333905,00.html) [And this from 2004, which says much the same thing.](http://www.guardian.co.uk/hooligans/article/0,2763,1243272,00.html) In fact, pretty much everything I’ve read here on the other side of the pond talks about a problem with “soccer hooligans.” Must… resist… urge… to quote Bill Hicks. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2005, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/24 "2005-10-24T10:53:12Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Must… resist… urge… to quote Bill Hicks. “Game over, man! Game over!” Wrong Hicks? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2005, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/25 "2005-10-24T11:11:59Z")
Maybe I’m wrong as I’m not a football suporter but all I ever hear about is how the game is much safer than the 70/80’s when riots were common place. I very rarely hear about any major disruptions anymore in football. however > [@](#): > > 13.1 Today, football in England is massively popular and hooliganism, perhaps wrongly, is widely perceived to be 'yesterday’s problem. Despite occasional very serious incidents - at a Stoke City v Cardiff city match in April 2000, for example, large scale disorder was reported by NCIS to have gone on ‘throughout the day’ - , the general view, among supporters, club officials, and among policemen involved in policing football seems to be that since 1989 the problem of hooliganism has, until recently, been reducing, certainly in and around football grounds. More recently police concern about hooliganism has increased once more. The National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS) welcomed the new football legislation, including the new Football (Disorder) Act 2000 as a powerful weapon in the continuing fight against football hooliganism. Arrests for football related offences for domestic league matches in England and Wales increased by 8% in 2000/2001 > > 13.2 Commenting on the 2000/2001 figures, Bryan Drew, Head of Strategic and Specialist Intelligence at NCIS said: > > ``` > "There's a nasty, ugly and anti-social element in socirty that clings to football that just won't give up. What became the 'English disease' is no longer characterised by the mass terrace affrays and running street battles of the 1970s and 1980s. But, like other infections, new strains of football hooliganism are developing that are clever, resilient and increasingly threatening." > > ``` [http://www.le.ac.uk/footballresearch/resources/factsheets/fs1.html](http://www.le.ac.uk/footballresearch/resources/factsheets/fs1.html) So I may be just incorrectly calling it “yesterdays problem”. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2005, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/26 "2005-10-24T11:44:00Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > “Game over, man! Game over!” > > Wrong Hicks? Indeed 🙂 [The man was a genius, died far before his time.](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000009QH/qid=1130154169/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0951587-9339928?v=glance&s=music&n=507846) ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2005, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/27 "2005-10-24T11:52:17Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > “Game over, man! Game over!” > > Wrong Hicks? Wrong name, too! That was Hudson. Hicks was Michael Biehn. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2005, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/28 "2005-10-24T12:04:56Z")
I’d agree with yojimbo; soccer _riots \* are not as common. Generally, past are the days when entire crowds would turn on each other. However, small scale violence is still a problem with some club’s supporters coughMillwall_cough\*. You’re gonna have some bad apples in every crowd. Racism seems to be the major problem at the moment, rather than general rioting, and it’s a problem that’s spreading even among the[people who work in the football industry themselves.](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3652207.stm) At least it isn’t as bad as in [spain,](http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4037269.stm) though. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2005, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/29 "2005-10-25T00:39:37Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > And like Loopydude said, it’s not an unfair statment, there ARE more commercials (and he didn’t make any scathing comments about our wimpy American need for helmuts and padding 🙂 ) American Football is a much rougher sport than Rugby. The reason we have helmets and padding is because people the sport is so rough that people were dying. How many 350 pound players that can run the 40 in 5 seconds does Rugby have? That isn’t to say Rugby is a wimpy sport I just don’t think puts a body trough as severe abuse as football. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2005, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622/30 "2005-10-25T01:52:08Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Really, the interesting question is…whats Condi up to? She heard there was going to be a big shoe sale at the Tuscaloosa Payless store. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-the-way-to-make-the-us-look-good/327622.md?page=1)