# That's what I get for having any opinion of soccer here! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311 "2018-07-05T03:18:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/81 "2018-07-06T05:39:30Z")
Also with penalty kicks - there’s always the concern of how much anxiety the goalie is experiencing. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/82 "2018-07-06T07:29:50Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I don’t even think **Novelty Bubble** is his real name. It isn’t even my not-real, not-real name but I don’t correct people because you never know when you might need to score some petty points against someone along the lines of “you can’t even get my name right!” ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/83 "2018-07-06T07:31:38Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > Google Image Search :smack: Which makes my complaint that the link took me a page of images rather…foolish! In my defence I’d never seen that acronymised. (which is a word now) ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/84 "2018-07-06T07:51:01Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > I should add there _is_ a better idea for settling a draw in a knockout round but it still involves a penalty shootout. It works exactly like the system in place now except the penalties are taken after the end of regular time (after 90 minutes). > > Then, two 15-minute halves of extra-time are played. If the game is still tied after extra-time the team the won the penalty shootout advances to the next round. This ratchets up the intensity in extra-time because the team that lost the penalties knows it will lose unless it can outscore their opponents on the field in ET. > > I’ve seen it called “The 90 Minute Penalty” but I don’t know if that is common. I’ve never seen it used but I think that’s the perfect solution, as such I’m not sure what it is doing in this thread. The problem with pretty much any other idea is that it tends to drive perverse behaviours. Removing players changes the game into something else. If corners were counted then you’d have even more ref-hassle over each one. If it were the disciplinary record during the game you’d have a never-ending sequence of simulation to get people booked. The big benefit of your idea is that it allows the game to be played normally for the first 90 minutes. Then, the penalty shoot-out gives each team a chance to grab an advantage for the extra 30 minutes and ensuring that it will be played with at least one team attacking in anger. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/85 "2018-07-06T11:54:20Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > While I admire your Neymar like trolling skills; your criticism of soccer has all the intellectual vigor of something Trump would tweet. You are living up to your user name. Regrettably, I have to give you a yellow card for that semicolon usage. I know your panties are in a bunch because I’ve been a big meanie, but a lot of people don’t care for the shootouts. Trolling? Intellectual vigor, lol? Try harder, son. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/86 "2018-07-06T12:22:23Z")
If you find it boring, look somewhere else for your entertainment. With that out of the way, I think watching it on TV is kinda slow and boring. Seeing it live is a very different thing. On TV the camera follows the ball, as it must. When you’re sitting there live, with a glance you can see how the players outside the TV picture is constantly re-positioning themselves and you get a feel for what might happen. It’s hard to explain, but maybe its a little like what I’ve seen of baseball on U.S. TV, where there are pauses and you get a quick cut to someone getting in position to maybe stealing a base. Another thing. American sports is inundated in statistics and rules, for good or bad, depending on your preferences. For the fans of football, the uncertainty, the sometimes arbitrary rulings, are all part of the excitement. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/87 "2018-07-06T12:58:45Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > This was one of those over played injuries trying for a foul call? Should’ve gotten at least a yellow card for [this](https://www.voetbalprimeur.nl/videos/825495/neymar-rolt-gilt-en-krijst-op-de-grond-na-stiekeme-overtreding-van-layun.html) show. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/88 "2018-07-06T13:06:33Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I watch a lot of soccer (much of it with the Euro-hooligans I play with). But every four years, I end up watching it at pubs filled with Americans. > > And I’m embarrassed by how random it is. I could give you multiple examples from this World Cup: one team outplays the other, dominating with precision passing and over twenty shots on goal. But the other sloppier team gets one lucky break (perhaps even off a defender), and that’s the game. > > Every four years I watch thinking “Okay, now we have a generation of Americans in their 20s and 30s that grew up playing soccer as kids. Why won’t it take off as a professional sport here?” The speed of the game is a factor, and the fact that goals are so few that one scored by the weaker team can mean victory. I mostly don’t like the rolling around on the ground pretending to be hurt to try and draw a foul. They wouldn’t do it if that foul wouldn’t result in a free kick to penalty kick that could be the ONLY goal scored in the game. That and the game is boring as fuck. My in laws are soccer fanatics and I watch them get excited when someone makes a good pass that will ultimately lead to nothing; or when a player runs past a defender with the ball, even if the next defender stops him at around mid field; or when someone kicks the ball in the general direction of the goal. I guess its boring only because it has to compete with games like football, baseball and hockey. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/89 "2018-07-06T13:59:04Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I mostly don’t like the rolling around on the ground pretending to be hurt to try and draw a foul. They wouldn’t do it if that foul wouldn’t result in a free kick to penalty kick that could be the ONLY goal scored in the game. That and the game is boring as fuck. My in laws are soccer fanatics and I watch them get excited when someone makes a good pass that will ultimately lead to nothing; or when a player runs past a defender with the ball, even if the next defender stops him at around mid field; or when someone kicks the ball in the general direction of the goal. I guess its boring only because it has to compete with games like football, baseball and hockey. football players pretend they’re injured. Hockey players pretend they _aren’t_. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/90 "2018-07-06T14:08:36Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > If anyone can come up with a better idea for deciding ties than kicks from the penalty spot, please do share. If you succeed in doing so, you’ll become a rich man. 1. Allow more (or unlimited) subs, so the concern about the health of the players goes away, and the action stays faster throughout the match. 2. After regulation time, remove one player on the field every five minutes, starting with defenders. So, 11/side for the first five minutes, then 10/side, etc. In hockey, during the regular season, it goes to three on three (plus goalies) in overtime, and it really opens up the ice. Of course, they still go to penalty shots sometimes, but it’s fairly rare and OT is only 5 minutes. 3. In overtime, after the first 15 minute session, it becomes sudden death (golden goal) Where do I collect? RS ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/91 "2018-07-06T14:14:08Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > 1. Allow more (or unlimited) subs, so the concern about the health of the players goes away, and the action stays faster throughout the match. > 2. After regulation time, remove one player on the field every five minutes, starting with defenders. So, 11/side for the first five minutes, then 10/side, etc. In hockey, during the regular season, it goes to three on three (plus goalies) in overtime, and it really opens up the ice. Of course, they still go to penalty shots sometimes, but it’s fairly rare and OT is only 5 minutes. > 3. In overtime, after the first 15 minute session, it becomes sudden death (golden goal) > > Where do I collect? > > RS nitpick- in the NHL if the game is still tied after the 3-on-3 overtime, they go to shootout. it happens more frequently than you might think. playoff games will go into as many SD overtimes as needed (within reason.) IIRC the 1997 series between Detroit and Anaheim had so much overtime played, Mike Vernon joked that the series was a “six game sweep.” ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/92 "2018-07-06T14:22:21Z")
[https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/almost-half-the-world-tuned-home-watch-2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africat-1473143](https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/almost-half-the-world-tuned-home-watch-2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africat-1473143) 3.2 billion people (46.4% of the worlds population) watched the 2010 World Cup. For a boring game that many Americans hate, the ratings are impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/93 "2018-07-06T16:21:53Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t know what’s more boring - soccer or this thread. Because of your participation, this thread. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/94 "2018-07-06T16:23:49Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > [https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/almost-half-the-world-tuned-home-watch-2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africat-1473143](https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/almost-half-the-world-tuned-home-watch-2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africat-1473143) > > 3.2 billion people (46.4% of the worlds population) watched the 2010 World Cup. For a boring game that many Americans hate, the ratings are impressive. If only those poor starving Third World wretches had access to _real_ sports. They just don’t know any better. . ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/95 "2018-07-06T16:26:04Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Because of your participation, this thread. hahahahahaha! \*wipes tears from eyes. What a knee-slapper that was! ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/96 "2018-07-06T16:34:45Z")
> [@andros](#): > > If only those poor starving Third World wretches had access to _real_ sports. They just don’t know any better. > . You are the CR7 of this thread. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/97 "2018-07-06T18:53:22Z")
CR7 is the **andros** of [del]Real Madrid[/del] Juve. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/98 "2018-07-06T20:01:08Z")
Soccer is so unpopular that the Brazil v Belgium score was stuck on 73 minutes because it crashed. It was one of the greatest World Cup matches ever. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/99 "2018-07-06T20:12:41Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Soccer is so unpopular that the Brazil v Belgium score was stuck on 73 minutes because it crashed. It was one of the greatest World Cup matches ever. Man, that was a real nail-biter. Anybody who calls that particular game boring didn’t watch it ( at least the second half ). ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311/100 "2018-07-06T20:39:26Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > 3.2 billion people (46.4% of the worlds population) watched the 2010 World Cup. For a boring game that many Americans hate, the ratings are impressive. And don’t forget the corollary: American college and pro football are meaningless, because billions of Chinese don’t give a shit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thats-what-i-get-for-having-any-opinion-of-soccer-here/817311.md?page=6)