# The 0-16 NFL Season Thread, 2008 Edition **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 11, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125 "2008-09-11T17:59:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/201 "2008-12-24T04:40:53Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Well, let’s keep in mind that the Bucs actually went 0 - 26 before winning, if memory serves me correctly. I don’t think the Lions have proven themselves THAT inept yet.:eek: 17 in a row and 23 out of 24 (pending this week’s expected result) going back to last season definitely puts the Bucs on notice that their record, however timeless, might not stand another season. The difference is notable, though. The Bucs were an expansion team, the Lions are not. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/202 "2008-12-24T05:39:54Z")
The Lions are a repeating expansion team. Every couple years they start over. When I watch them now, I am shocked how badly they can play. They have had a ton of high draft choices . The problem is less on the field than in the management. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/203 "2008-12-24T13:11:15Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Well, let’s keep in mind that the Bucs actually went 0 - 26 before winning, if memory serves me correctly. I don’t think the Lions have proven themselves THAT inept yet.:eek: Keep hope alive! > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Even if [the draft pick value chart] was somehow accurate when it was written (and it can’t be, you can’t really quantify a judgement call like that), the way contracts have exploded has severely devalued the top picks. Technically, it was accurate when it was written because it is the result of analyzing all the actual trades teams had done. In essence, it isn’t _the_ guide teams go by but instead it _reflects_ what teams went by on their own before the chart existed. It’s like the passer rating, which was calibrated to the actual passing statictics from previous years. The value chart was calibrated to the trades from previous years. One problem shared by both is that they don’t change. They are both based on “performance”, but circumstances change. Were a new passer rating and draft chart developed today, both would be calibrated differently. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/204 "2008-12-24T17:19:23Z")
QB performance on the Lions is bad, But, without protection and a running game it is difficult to do well. Our running backs are hampered by poor blocking . Defensive backs and safetys have to cover for 8 seconds. Too long for a pro. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/205 "2008-12-24T17:25:49Z")
Wait, wait, wait… The Lions have running backs? ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/206 "2008-12-24T17:29:37Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Wait, wait, wait… > > The Lions have running backs? Paging **Really Not All That Bright** , Paging **Really Not All That Bright** , the Kevin Smith Signal has been activated. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/207 "2008-12-27T03:39:24Z")
The weather prediction is snow and light wind with the temperature in the 20s. Green Bay has lost five in a row, albeit four of them have been close. Barry Sanders is not coming out of retirement. Packers 34, Lions 13 ---
**Author:** ![2sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e47774/32.png) [@2sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2sense)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/208 "2008-12-27T03:44:50Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > One problem with trading that. [This](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670)table. The GMs live and die by this thing, (or something very similar to it) man. I don’t see the problem. According to the chart the 1st pick is worth 3000 points. The slots used to take the guys I mentioned only add up to half that. Luther Elliss 20th (850), Mike Utley 59th (310), Jerry Ball 63rd (276), Eric Andolsek 111th (72), and Willie Clay 221st (4) = 1,512 points. Unless I’m missing something, according to the chart the first pick is worth all those plus a high first rounder (8th overall). ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/209 "2008-12-27T05:02:46Z")
The problem is that you’re dealing with NFL general managers that’d never do it, even though it makes sense. It’s practically the Ricky Williams trade that you’re proposing. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/210 "2008-12-27T13:08:17Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > The problem is that you’re dealing with NFL general managers that’d never do it, even though it makes sense. It’s practically the Ricky Williams trade that you’re proposing. Ahhh, the draft the Bengals could have had that year…but nope! We needed Akili Smith instead! Thank you Mike Brown! ---
**Author:** ![2sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e47774/32.png) [@2sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2sense)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/211 "2008-12-27T20:03:55Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > The problem is that you’re dealing with NFL general managers that’d never do it, even though it makes sense. It’s practically the Ricky Williams trade that you’re proposing. I don’t think it’s in the same ballpark. NO moved up only 4 slots and gave up about what I’m proposing \*\*that year \*\*plus first and third the following year. I’m proposing letting someone move up 15 or 20 slots. You do that for their middle round 2nd and 3rd round picks and then move down in one or both of those rounds to pick up a couple lower round picks. I think it’s doable, not that the Lions are likely to pull it off. In any case, they need to trade down, taking the best deal they can get. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/212 "2008-12-28T00:16:47Z")
The Detroit Freep has declared this game our Superbowl. The Lion players are really fired up to not be the worst team of all time. Too late. 1 znd 15 will still do the trick. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/213 "2008-12-28T16:02:21Z")
It feels like Superbowl Sunday…im so excited! ---
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/214 "2008-12-28T18:04:13Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > It feels like Superbowl Sunday…im so excited! It’s the Stuporbowl. And it’s underway! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/215 "2008-12-28T18:05:48Z")
Could it look worse? GB favored by 10 .5 ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/216 "2008-12-28T18:17:36Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > The Lions have running backs? Dude, Kevin Smith is one of the five best guys on the team. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/217 "2008-12-28T19:25:08Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Dude, Kevin Smith is one of the five best guys on the team. Talk about damning with faint praise!!! 😛 If they can’t even beat this year’s version of the Packers, they deserve 0 - 16. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/218 "2008-12-28T19:32:03Z")
Game is decent. Rogers should maybe have one incompletion. He’s looked VERY sharp today. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/219 "2008-12-28T21:03:17Z")
The mixed feeling are at the surface. They are playing hard. They have most of the year and many will lose their jobs. But 0 and 16 . ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/220 "2008-12-28T21:08:12Z")
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