# The 0-16 NFL Season Thread, 2008 Edition **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 11, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125 "2008-09-11T17:59:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/161 "2008-12-14T22:56:27Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Well, the Paper Lions managed to throw a scare into those who want them to draft first, but in the end, they were the Lions. > > They will in the end screw up 0-fer. They will beat the Packers, who right now look incapable of beating much of anyone. I doubt that. The Packers, as down as they are are a much better team than the Lions. Oh, and WOOT!@&%$@@!! My Bengals beat the Foreskins to go a respectable 2-11-1!!! Yay!!! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/162 "2008-12-15T00:14:03Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I doubt that. The Packers, as down as they are are a much better team than the Lions. > > Oh, and WOOT!@&%$@@!! > > My Bengals beat the Foreskins to go a respectable 2-11-1!!! > > Yay!!! Doubled your victories in one afternoon. Still locked in to a high draft choice though. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/163 "2008-12-15T00:15:31Z")
I’d value every win at this point if I were a crappy team. The premium you pay for a high pick is too much to be worth it at this point… I’d rather pick 8th than 1st. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/164 "2008-12-15T00:18:21Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’d value every win at this point if I were a crappy team. The premium you pay for a high pick is too much to be worth it at this point… I’d rather pick 8th than 1st. Trade down and get 2. Thats what I hope we do. We have 2 very good skill players in Calvin and Smith. We just have to get some blockers. We do not need a no.1 to get an offensive lineman. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/165 "2008-12-15T00:19:27Z")
Yeah every team that has a high draft slot wants to trade down and get more picks. Rarely happens. The reasons a teams want to trade down are the same reasons a team wouldn’t want to trade up. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/166 "2008-12-15T00:52:07Z")
If someone wants the top QB or running back, they will have to go up to guarantee getting him. No.1 ensures your choice. Calvin was definitely worth the high pick. ---
**Author:** ![timbicile59](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@timbicile59](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/timbicile59)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/167 "2008-12-15T03:04:02Z")
At least the Lions showed flashes of mediocrity today. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/168 "2008-12-15T03:57:27Z")
I think Calvin Johnson needs an older receiver to mentor him. Can we pay Cris Carter to come in and talk to him like he did to Randy Moss? Calvin doesn’t sell his routes. He does what he does with his physical gifts, which is in-fucking-credible in the NFL. He needs to learn to run routes. Case in point: the highlight reel catch he pulled off today. He put some half-assed move on the corner, who didn’t bite it at all. The corner moved under because he knew he was getting safety help (which came). Had he sold the route and made the corner bite on it, it’s very feasible that it could have gone for big yardage or six. ---
**Author:** ![ZebraShaSha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/eada6e/32.png) [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/169 "2008-12-15T03:59:53Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > I think Calvin Johnson needs an older receiver to mentor him. Can we pay Cris Carter to come in and talk to him like he did to Randy Moss? Calvin doesn’t sell his routes. He does what he does with his physical gifts, which is in-fucking-credible in the NFL. He needs to learn to run routes. Case in point: the highlight reel catch he pulled off today. He put some half-assed move on the corner, who didn’t bite it at all. The corner moved under because he knew he was getting safety help (which came). Had he sold the route and made the corner bite on it, it’s very feasible that it could have gone for big yardage or six. That’s _always_ been the problem - no one will teach the young lad. I watched him do things that seemed impossible even on replays at GaTech, but he has gotten no one to come in and really show him the ropes. If you put him in a decent offensive with a good quarterback, he’d be sensational. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/170 "2008-12-15T05:07:01Z")
Well, shit. Is Jerry Rice still all retired and shit? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/171 "2008-12-21T22:56:00Z")
A writer in the Post-Dispatch this morning wrote that the Lions would at least give the Saints a scare, that they would finally sit up and take notice of what is about to happen to them, and he thought they would win. I wonder what he’ll predict next week. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/172 "2008-12-22T01:17:24Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > A writer in the Post-Dispatch this morning wrote that the Lions would at least give the Saints a scare… Well, I notice the Saints did not score any more touchdowns after the third quarter. Perhaps they were scared they wouldn’t make their flight. What I find fascinating are the pundits (not anyone in this thread, but in the media) who think it’s a benefit to the Lions to get the #1 pick. That strikes me as being like saying that it’s a benefit to a man falling off the Empire State Building to give him an umbrella. Does anyone really think that any one player in the history of football could make this a respectable team? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/173 "2008-12-22T02:50:00Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Well, I notice the Saints did not score any more touchdowns after the third quarter. Perhaps they were scared they wouldn’t make their flight. > > What I find fascinating are the pundits (not anyone in this thread, but in the media) who think it’s a benefit to the Lions to get the #1 pick. That strikes me as being like saying that it’s a benefit to a man falling off the Empire State Building to give him an umbrella. Does anyone really think that any one player in the history of football could make this a respectable team? They have at least 4 decent choices. If they are smart they trade down and get 2 for the 1 spot. Then they can do a lot in a short time. They announced the temp GM will be there next year. Crap ,at owen 16 they have to fire the coach, broom his staff, burn down his house and have his family sterilized. So we start everything over again and again and again and again. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhh shit. Good thing it doesn’t bother me anymore. ---
**Author:** ![timbicile59](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@timbicile59](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/timbicile59)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/174 "2008-12-22T03:43:46Z")
I love the ineptitude that is the lions ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/175 "2008-12-22T04:07:32Z")
Am I bad for rooting for 0wen 16? One and 15 is just a bad season. Owen 16 is a statement. It is a season no one has ever had before. Talk radio is saying if you are a fan ,you should hope they avoid the worst season ever. Why? Fuck it, just sit on the bench and drink beer. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/176 "2008-12-22T14:22:28Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If they are smart they trade down and get 2 for the 1 spot. This gets discussed every year, but few teams ever seem interested in trading up that high. Don’t count on it happening this year either. Still, it’s amazing to see how quickly the Dolphins and Falcons have turned themselves around this year while the Lions are plumbing the depths. I don’t exactly see them winning 10 games next year. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/177 "2008-12-22T14:30:59Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This gets discussed every year, but few teams ever seem interested in trading up that high. Don’t count on it happening this year either. > > Still, it’s amazing to see how quickly the Dolphins and Falcons have turned themselves around this year while the Lions are plumbing the depths. I don’t exactly see them winning 10 games next year. Just need one team. Oakland maybe. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/178 "2008-12-22T18:21:35Z")
From the first page: > [@5-HT](#): > > Not a chance. They have plenty of talent on offense and will run into at least one team that can’t score enough points to beat them. > > I’d be surprised if the lions come anywhere close to 0-16. Well, they’re close. (I came across [this](http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/demondarkhorse/lionssuckfl6.jpg) today) Having the first pick is horrible. Some fucking wannabe is only going to demand ungodly sums of guaranteed money. Then, not only is he going to not perform, but keep the team from having the money to spend on talent around him. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Tof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tof)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/179 "2008-12-22T23:26:57Z")
The first pick isn’t so bad… IF there is a player that somebody really covets. The two times recently the Chargers had it- there was Michael Vick the first time and Peyton Manning (:barf:) the second time. Both times we had a trade partner who really coveted the other. Trading down for 3 or 4 picks isn’t really a bad deal when you really just need everything. But you need that player to be there… and you need the draft to be deep enough that you can still trade down to get impact players. (We traded down to get LT and Philip Rivers). Of course- as is the Lions luck- I don’t that this is exactly a deep draft, or has a player like a Michael Vick that people are going to covet. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125/180 "2008-12-22T23:33:43Z")
> [@The\_Tof](#): > > The first pick isn’t so bad… IF there is a player that somebody really covets. The two times recently the Chargers had it- there was Michael Vick the first time and Peyton Manning (:barf:) the second time. Both times we had a trade partner who really coveted the other. Trading down for 3 or 4 picks isn’t really a bad deal when you really just need everything. But you need that player to be there… and you need the draft to be deep enough that you can still trade down to get impact players. (We traded down to get LT and Drew Brees and Philip Rivers). Of course- as is the Lions luck- I don’t that this is exactly a deep draft, or has a player like a Michael Vick that people are going to covet. There. Fixed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2008-edition/463125.md?page=10)