# The 0-17 NFL season, 2024 edition - Who'll be football's White Sox? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [September 5, 2024, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828 "2024-09-05T16:53:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/1 "2024-09-05T16:53:14Z")
The 2017 Browns did it. The 2008 Lions did it. But now it’s even harder to pull off a no win season. All teams are currently eligible. Will the Panthers show they really _can_ get even worse? Can the Patriots choke into a top draft pick? Are the Giants going to make New York a Jets town? Can the Cardinals be so bad they remind people they exist? ---
**Author:** ![Jaycat.again](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat.again/32/11525_2.png) [@Jaycat.again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaycat.again)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/2 "2024-09-05T21:45:18Z")
You left out the Commandos. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/3 "2024-09-05T22:03:10Z")
I don’t think we have an 0-fer team this season. I’m not even sure we’ll have a 2 or 3 win team. I think most of the bottom feeders have enough talent to steal a few games. I also think the 17-game schedule and all the international games increases the “any given Sunday” factor where a better team will come out flat, tired or banged up. My ranked candidates for worst team: 1. Carolina 2. New England 3. New York Giants 4. Tennessee 5. Washington 6. Minnesota 7. Las Vegas 8. Denver 9. Seattle 10. New Orleans 11. Arizona ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/4 "2024-09-05T22:16:56Z")
Only three teams in the Super Bowl era have had full seasons that were all losses - the 2017 Browns, the 2008 Lions and the 1976 Buccaneers. (The 1982 Colts were 0-8-1) So it’s not likely in any single season. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/5 "2024-09-05T22:31:12Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > 1976 Buccaneers And that was the first season for the franchise. So there’s an excuse. Not a great one, but still an excuse. The 2017 Browns and 2008 Lions have no excuses. And there will be no winless teams this season. Bank on it. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/6 "2024-09-05T22:35:03Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > The 2017 Browns and 2008 Lions have no excuses. Sure they do. They’re the Browns and the Lions. Well, I guess that’s more of a “reason” than an “excuse.” ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/7 "2024-09-05T22:37:10Z")
The 2011 Colts lost our first 13 games before finishing 2-14. I started getting pissed at the end: “After the Curtis Painter Experience, we’re not even going to get Andrew Luck?” But we did. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/8 "2024-09-05T22:41:47Z")
The Giants may have the best shot at being bottom-dwellers. And while they on paper appear to be a good team, the Jets are one QB injury away from repeating last year’s performance. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/9 "2024-09-05T23:01:12Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > And while they on paper appear to be a good team, the Jets are one QB injury away from repeating last year’s performance. Tyrod Taylor is no world-beater but he’s an actual quarterback. Way better than what the Jets had last season. Also better than what the Giants had last season, because he went down soon after Jones did when the team doctor accidentally punctured Taylor’s lung trying to give him a pain injection for a bruised rib. Thus ushering in the Tommy Devito experience. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/10 "2024-09-05T23:26:21Z")
Taylor got the punctured lung during his time with the Chargers. He went down with a rib injury with the Giants. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/11 "2024-09-05T23:46:36Z")
> [@Jaycat.again](#): > > You left out the Commandos At least once every season Washington inexplicably crushes someone they have no business being on the same field as. Someone always looks past them. It’s usually the Packers lately, but they’re not playing Green Bay this season. Just throwing a dart at the schedule, I’m going to pick Week 6 at Baltimore. My gut pointed me towards Week 3 at Cincinnati, but that’s MNF and Washington has been terrible on MNF for at least a couple of decades, but then again so have the Bengals, historically. ---
**Author:** ![Cwturner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Cwturner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cwturner)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/12 "2024-09-06T00:02:27Z")
Re: the Bucs, most of you have probably heard this but its too funny not to repeat. Here’s a look into its veracity: [What do you think of your team’s execution, coach? - Bucs Nation](https://www.bucsnation.com/2016/9/19/12972680/john-mckay-buccaneers-tampa-bay-quote-execution) ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/13 "2024-09-16T15:16:53Z")
There’s bad, and then there’s **bad**. The Panthers have lost by an average of 30 points so far. That’s _almost_ as much as the next two bad teams combined. The Rams are -18½ and the Giants are -12½. On the other end of the spectrum, the Ravens, Bengals, and Jaguars are all still in the running. They’ll probably win games at some point, but losses are losses. Losing to the Raiders? Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/14 "2024-09-16T16:28:59Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > There’s bad, and then there’s **bad**. The Panthers have lost by an average of 30 points so far. That’s _almost_ as much as the next two bad teams combined. The Rams are -18½ and the Giants are -12½. I don’t even know when the Panthers last had a lead **at any point** during a regular season game. I want to say it was last November? I had the stat last night but can’t find it anymore. ☹ Here’s an article about their record-breaking performance last season: [https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/article283665068.html](https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/article283665068.html) Here’s a snippet: > Amazingly, the Panthers also ended the year having _never run a single play_ in the fourth quarter while holding the lead. In their only two wins, they won on last-play field goals. So if you felt like the Panthers were always behind this year late, trying to climb out of a hole, that’s why. > > According to ESPN, the Panthers became the second team since 1945 to lead for 0:00 of playing time in the fourth quarter over a full season. The other: The 1982 Baltimore Colts in a strike-shortened season in which Baltimore only played nine games. That’s mind-boggling. And they don’t seem to have improved. I believe they are ranked dead last in offense over the first couple of games this year, and their defense is somewhere in the bottom 10. They don’t do _anything_ well. The Browns, Lions, and Texans traded spots over the last couple of decades as the premier dumpster fires in the NFL for years, and it looks like Carolina now has that spot. I don’t know if they will become the first 0-17 team in NFL history but I believe the projection was 4 wins. I’m curious if they end the year above or below that. I’d wager they are below it. ---
**Author:** ![SwissMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/15 "2024-09-16T16:42:11Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I don’t even know when the Panthers last had a lead **at any point** during a regular season game. I want to say it was last November? According to the Wikipedia summary of their season last year, it was December 3rd against the Bucs. Carolina took a 10-7 lead in the second quarter of the game. They promptly gave up a 75 yard touchdown pass on the very next offensive play by the Bucs, holding the lead for a grand total of 10 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/16 "2024-09-16T17:51:56Z")
> [@SwissMan](#): > > According to the Wikipedia summary of their season last year, it was December 3rd against the Bucs. Carolina took a 10-7 lead in the second quarter of the game. They promptly gave up a 75 yard touchdown pass on the very next offensive play by the Bucs, holding the lead for a grand total of 10 seconds. That’s right, it was early December, not November. And they held the lead for 10 seconds of the game clock, LOL. 😆 That’s epically bad! ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/17 "2024-09-16T18:41:27Z")
I hear the Panthers are benching Young and starting… Andy Dalton? He’s still in the league? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/18 "2024-09-16T19:08:27Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > He’s still in the league? Yes and as far as I know still a serviceable backup. He might legitimately be an improvement. He’s 36, he’s not particularly old for a QB. The last time he was a full-time starter was in 2022 for the Saints (replacing Jameis Winston who was hurt in Week 3), where he was in 14 games and went 6-8. He was pretty meh, but not terrible. He had an 18/9 TD/Int ratio and a 66.7% accuracy (which was actually his best accuracy rating of his career, believe it or not). Last year he was a backup for this awful Panthers team and only started once, when Young got hurt. I remember that game because it was against the Seahawks and he was actually pretty decent. He had 2 TDs in the game, no turnovers, and threw for 361 yards on 58 pass attempts. In all honesty, I do think he’s an upgrade. He’s only mediocre at best, but that’s still better than Bryce Young. Statistically speaking, Dalton has much better numbers, even over the last few years. The only advantage I can think of with playing Young is that he’s, well, young, and hopefully will develop into something better. Dalton is who he is and isn’t going to get better. I believe they saw Dalton as a high floor, low ceiling guy, and Young as a low floor, high ceiling. But I don’t know how high Young’s ceiling is anymore. I’m curious if the team does better under Dalton. They pretty much can’t do worse. And Young isn’t necessarily a bust, maybe he needs to be a backup for the rest of the year or something, though I wouldn’t put my hope on that. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/19 "2024-09-16T19:31:05Z")
Hey, in his first four years in the league, Dalton took the Bengals to the playoffs each of those years. Of course, he was 0-4 in playoff games, but he’s got the experience! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828/20 "2024-09-16T20:43:36Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Hey, in his first four years in the league, Dalton took the Bengals to the playoffs each of those years. Oh I remember. He was the guy who was talented enough to make the Bengals somewhat good. Your slightly above average QB. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-0-17-nfl-season-2024-edition-wholl-be-footballs-white-sox/1006828.md?page=2)