# The 100 Most Influential People - Try the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080 "2010-04-14T16:58:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/181 "2010-04-28T13:38:34Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > Ow, that’s what I get for posting in the morning. I suppose it’s too late to change it now, so it’ll have to remain empty for this round. Naw, you can repost that specific pick. If I make a mistake and tabulate the original, the Gorbachev vote will fall out anyway. NBD. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/182 "2010-04-28T13:50:35Z")
Invention. Louis Dagurre Leader. Cyrus the Great Philosophy. Homer Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Science. Leonhard Euler Two new faces from me, and picking an Inventor to hit the skids is pretty much a coin toss now. Dagurre was picked because cameras were already known, and others were working on the process. Homer was picked… because he has fallen out of fashion. Not sure how many people read his works any more, but his influence is not to be dismissed out of hand. Still, for a blind poet who may have turned out to be several people over several centuries, I’m pleased he lasted this long. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/183 "2010-04-28T14:28:28Z")
I think I only have one new vote and four repeats: Inventors: Orville and Wilbur Wright Leaders: Charlemagne Philosophy: Voltaire Religion: Pope Urban II Science: John Dalton I hope Calvin survives a little longer. The influence of Calvinism goes far beyond the Reformation and Presbyterianism; there are strands of Reformed Theology in just about every Christian tradition in the west. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/184 "2010-04-28T18:46:13Z")
Inventors. Alexander Graham Bell Leaders. Queen Isabella I Philosophy. Homer Religion. Pope Urban II Science. James Clerk Maxwell ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/185 "2010-04-28T18:47:58Z")
Inventor. William TG Morton Leader. Cyrus the Great Philosophy. Lao Tzu Religion. Pope Urban II Science. James Clerk Maxwell Cyrus (who appears headed for defeat this round) and Maxwell are my only holdovers. Invention was the toughest category to whittle down this time. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/186 "2010-04-28T19:09:58Z")
Voting against the guy who invented anaesthesia? That’s painful. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/187 "2010-04-28T19:47:49Z")
Invention. Ts’ai Lun Leaders. Queen Isabella I Philosophy and the Arts. Homer Religion. 'Umar Ibn Al-Khattab Science. Nicholas Copernicus ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/188 "2010-04-28T20:25:24Z")
Invention. Alexander Graham Bell Leader. Genghis Khan Philosophy. Michelangelo Religion. Pope Urban II Science. Antonine Laurent Lavoisier ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/189 "2010-04-28T23:06:23Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Naw, you can repost that specific pick. If I make a mistake and tabulate the original, the Gorbachev vote will fall out anyway. NBD. In that case here it is: Leader. Charlemagne ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/190 "2010-04-30T13:53:39Z")
Last day for round 6! ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/191 "2010-04-30T23:07:08Z")
Invention. Alexander Graham Bell Leader. Napoleon Bonaparte Philosophy. William Shakespeare Religion. Pope Urban II Science. Albert Einstein ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/192 "2010-05-01T01:33:29Z")
Well happy to see that this game has some traction unlike my own versions. Inventor: William TG Morton (Why the h\*\*\* are people voting for Ts’ai Lun? He invented paper!) Leader: Queen Elizabeth I Philosophy/Arts: Ludwig Von Beethoven Religion: Asoka Science: Leonhard Euler ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/193 "2010-05-01T01:37:26Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Well happy to see that this game has some traction unlike my own versions. Silly beggars can’t be choosers. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/194 "2010-05-01T02:14:57Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Inventor: William TG Morton (Why the h\*\*\* are people voting for Ts’ai Lun? He invented paper!) I agree with Curtis. The inventions of Morton, Bell, etc. would have been delayed by only a few months if Morton or Bell hadn’t lived. They were ideas “whose time had come.” But the paper-making process wasn’t known in Europe for a thousand years after Ts’ai Lun! This was no trivial invention. After the invention of paper, China raced ahead of Europe technologically. This trend was finally reversed at the precise time of Gutenberg’s press, a key invention China did not duplicate. Even if the causal connection in that is smallish, Morton would surely not belong on the same list as Ts’ai Lun. (Even if he really invented anesthesia, which he didn’t.) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/195 "2010-05-01T02:19:23Z")
I think that one of the arguments is that Ts’ai Lun didn’t exist (like Moses). ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/196 "2010-05-01T02:36:33Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I think that one of the arguments is that Ts’ai Lun didn’t exist (like Moses). Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/197 "2010-05-01T02:59:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I think that one of the arguments is that Ts’ai Lun didn’t exist (like Moses). Not sure why anyone is concerned with “existence” in a discussion of influence. Moses’ physical form may be questioned, the influence of the Exodus fable is hard to deny. Various forces are still debating the commandments, and that’s worth noting. On the same token, Pope Urban 2 impacted Christianity in ways Jesus never dreamed, but he’s popping up on a lot of lists. The story of Jesus of course being different from the history of Christianity. But so it goes. If we manage to make it, I’d be curious to see what figures of today would even be noticed 2000 years later. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/198 "2010-05-01T05:03:39Z")
Inventor. Orville and Wilbur Wright Leaders. Queen Isabella I Art. Michelangelo Religion. Pope Urban II Science. Enrico Fermi * * * This is going to get hard really soon, so I’d better get in while I have an informed opinion. I already had to think about the last 2 categories. Explanations: My philosophy is what if they had never existed? Wrights: Others had the same idea Isabella: If Columbus doesn’t count, why would she? Michelangelo: A great artist, but I don’t think he really influenced anything. Urban II: With Pope Gregory VII’s concept of just war, the Crusades were inevitable. Fermi: Germany was nowhere near developing the bomb, and the basic principles of fission were already understood. The bomb wouldn’t have been delayed by much. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/199 "2010-05-01T05:07:36Z")
> [@Uncle\_Goat](#): > > Moses’ physical form may be questioned Some people think he has a more [angular form](http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/img/content/characters/152a.jpg). Couldn’t resist. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/200 "2010-05-01T05:39:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Cite? Cite for him being fictional? Can’t provide one - it’s not my argument. Cite for somebody voting against him because of supposed non-existence? [No problem](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12344979&postcount=43). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080.md?page=11)