# The 100 Most Influential People - Try the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080 "2010-04-14T16:58:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/261 "2010-05-05T14:50:28Z")
> [@](#): > > From my understanding Umar was a key figure in the spread of Islam after Mohammed’s death, and also one of the main reasons for the Sunni-Shi’a split. Umar was pretty important in making Islam a world religion. In Mohammed’s lifetime, Islam had become the religion of Arabia. But it was Umar who took it to Egypt, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Libya, etc. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/262 "2010-05-06T13:20:55Z")
Last day for round 8! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/263 "2010-05-06T23:25:49Z")
6 more hours… ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/264 "2010-05-07T03:14:35Z")
Inventor: William TG Morton Leader: Josef Stalin Philosophy and Arts: Michelangelo Religion: Asoka Science: James Clerk Maxwell ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/265 "2010-05-07T13:16:54Z")
It won’t be until late this afternoon before I can do the round 8 scoring, so if there are any “late” votes they will be counted. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/266 "2010-05-07T17:19:05Z")
Here’s the votes so far for Round 8: Inventors. William TG Morton - 7 Louis Daguerre - 3 Gugilemo Marconi - 2 James Watt - 1 Antony van Leeuwenhoek - 1 Leaders. Charlemagne - 6 Cyrus the Great - 4 Napoleon Bonaparte - 1 Genghis Khan - 1 Mao Zedong - 1 Josef Stalin - 1 Philosophy. Voltaire - 4 Nicoli Machiavelli - 3 Michelangelo - 3 Lao Tzu - 2 Francis Bacon - 1 Confucius - 1 Religion. Asoka - 7 St Augustine - 4 ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab - 2 Moses - 1 Science. James Clerk Maxwell - 5 Nicolas Copernicus - 3 John Dalton - 2 Galileo Galilei - 2 Johannes Kepler - 2 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/267 "2010-05-07T17:28:36Z")
Appreciate it. 🙂 Round 9 will start when I do the “official” update, but at least (thanks to **nemo** ) we know who lost. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/268 "2010-05-07T17:33:55Z")
Maxwell is a true shame. Should have easily sailed into the top 10; I had him at #6 in my list of scientists. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/269 "2010-05-07T17:52:14Z")
Round 8 is over! The losers are: **Category, Name, # of votes** L, Charlemagne, 6 S, James Clerk Maxwell, 5 R, Asoka, 7 P, Voltaire, 4 I, William TG Morton, 7 Remaing names for round 9: **Inventions** Alexander Fleming, Scientist, Invented Penicillin Antony van Leeuwenhoek, Scientist, Inventor of Microscope Edward Jenner, Scientist, Developed Vaccination for Smallpox Gugilemo Marconi, Scientist, Invented Radio Henry Ford, American Industrialist, Developed Mass Production Techniques James Watt, British Scientist, Invented Steam Engine Johann Gutenberg, Scientist, Inventor of Printing Press Joseph Lister, Scientist, Developed Antiseptic Methods Louis Dagurre, Scientist, Invented Photography Nikolaus August Otto, Scientist, Developed Internal Combustion Engine Thomas Edison, American Scientist, 1,000+ inventions Ts’ai Lun, Scientist, Inventor of Paper **Leaders** Adolf Hitler, German Dictator, Started World War II Alexander the Great, Macedonian Ruler, Formed Macedonian Empire Augustus Caesar, Roman Princep, Founded Roman Empire Cyrus the Great, Persian Emperor, Founded Persian Emperor Genghis Khan, Mongol Ruler, Founded Mongol Empire George Washington, American Statesman and General, Fought For Independence of United States Josef Stalin, Dictator of USSR, Expanded Communism Julius Caesar, Roman General, Ended Roman Civil Wars Lenin, Russian Leader, Founded Communism in Russia Mao Zedong, Chinese Dictator, Established Communism in China Napoleon Bonaparte, French Emperor, Waged Napoleonic Wars Queen Elizabeth I, Queen of England, Made England a Naval Power Sui Wen Ti, Chinese Emperor, Reunited China William the Conquerer, Norman Duke and English King, Led In Norman Conquest of England **Philosophy and Arts** Adam Smith, Economist, Advocated Capitalism Aristotle, Greek Philosopher Confucius, Chinese Philosopher, Founder of Confucianism Francis Bacon, Philosopher, Developed Scientific Method John Locke, British Philosopher, Developed Democratic Ideas Karl Marx, Economist, Founder of Communism Lao Tzu, Chinese Philosopher, Founded Taoism Michelangelo, Artist, Sculptor Nicoli Machiavelli, Political Theorist Plato, Greek Philosopher, Developed Platonism Thomas Jefferson, American Statesman, Wrote Declaration of Independence, Louisiana Purchase William Shakespeare, English Playwright **Religions** ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, Muslim Caliph, Expanded the Caliphate Buddha, Founder of Buddhism Constantine the Great, Roman Emperor, Tolerated and Promoted Christianity in Rome Jesus Christ, Founder of Christianity Martin Luther, Theologian, Started Protestantism and Reformation Mohammed, Founder of Islam Moses, Jewish Prophet St Augustine, Christian Theologian St Paul, Christian Missionary and Apostle **Sciences** Albert Einstein, Scientist, Physicist, Theory of Relativity Charles Darwin, British Scientist, Theory of Evolution Enrico Fermi, Scientist, Developed Atomic Bomb Ernest Rutherford, Scientist, Developed Subatomic Physics Euclid, Greek Mathematician Galileo Galilei, Scientist, Advocated Heliocentricity Isaac Newton, British Scientist, Theory of Universal Gravitation and Motion Johannes Kepler, Scientist, Developed Theories of Planetary Motion John Dalton, Scientist, Atomic Theory Louis Pasteur, Scientist, Pasteurization, Germ Theory of Disease Max Planck, Scientist, Developed Therodynamics Michael Faraday, British Scientist, Discovered Electromagnetism Nicolas Copernicus, Scientist, Theory of Heliocentricity ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/270 "2010-05-07T18:02:32Z")
Maxwell? Good grief folks - what were you thinking? Inventions. Antony van Leeuwenhoek Leader. Napoleon Bonaparte Philosophy. Lao Tzu Religion. St. Augustine Science. Johannes Kepler ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/271 "2010-05-07T18:03:23Z")
Don’t look at me - I just score the thing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/272 "2010-05-07T18:10:01Z")
On the plus side, I got 3 of my targets. On the minus side, Maxwell, wtf??? Inventions. Marconi Leaders. Adolf Hitler Philosophy. Machiavelli Religion. Augustine Science. Copernicus Yes, Hitler. His Reich didn’t exactly last 1,000 years, and the long-term results of his rule were mainly in the exact opposite direction of what he wanted to achieve. (Speaking of German leaders, Otto Von Bismarck is notable for his absence from this list). Philosophy is hard; I wouldn’t hate the loss of Michelangelo or Shakespeare at this point, but voting for an artist feels like a copout. Machiavelli is less of a systematizer than most of the others remaining on the list. It was a near-coin flip in my mind between the City of Man (Constantine) and City of God(Augustine), but Augustine was just slightly less important to the development of Christianity IMO. Constantine is next, then we can get to the actual founders of religions. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/273 "2010-05-07T18:41:19Z")
Maxwell surprised me too. Seems to me the whole electricity thing has caught on in a big way. But, hey, I’m still amazed by the departures of Mendel and Shi Huang. My votes for Round 9: Inventor. Louis Daguerre Leader. Cyrus Philosophy. Niccolo Machiavelli Religion. Umar ibn al-Khattab Science. Johannes Kepler ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/274 "2010-05-07T18:48:09Z")
The religious category has gotten very tough for me. I’ve essentially broken it down into three sub-categories. The founders: Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed The developers: Paul, Augustine, Martin Luther The disseminators: Umar, Constantine, and the now departed Asoka As you can see I’m working back through the three categories. Constantine will be my next choice. The I’ll work back through the three developers of Christianity in reverse chronological order. Then I’ll have to make some decisions about the Big Four. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/275 "2010-05-07T18:56:18Z")
Wow, I made a clean sweep with my votes! Unfortunately now I have to come up with five _new_ names to eliminate. Inventions. Henry Ford Leaders. Josef Stalin Philosophy and Arts. Michelangelo Religions. Martin Luther Sciences. Enrico Fermi Ford: with industrialization in full swing, it was only a matter of time before someone thought of the assembly line. Stalin: Although he was a ruthless leader, soviet-style communism did not last to the end of the century and he did not have the global impact that Hitler did. Michelangelo: kind of a cop-out vote for an important figure in a mostly uninfluential field Luther: Certainly a defining figure in church history, but not as widely influential as either Augustine or Constantine. Fermi: did not invent the bomb by himself, and the bomb itself has only been around 65 years. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/276 "2010-05-08T01:40:51Z")
Inventor: Antony van Leeuwenhoek Politics: Josef Stalin Philosophy and Arts: Michelangelo Religion: 'Umar ibn al-Khattab Science: Galileo Galileo ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/277 "2010-05-08T02:42:21Z")
Invention. Louis Dagurre Leader. Cyrus the Great Philosophy. Confucius Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Science. Galileo Galilei No changes this time… oh well. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/278 "2010-05-08T04:29:14Z")
Inventions. Louis Dagurre Leader. Queen Elizabeth I Philosophy. Michelangelo Religion. Moses Science. Galileo Galilei wowsers, having expended much ammo I finally got Charlemagne. 🙂 Michelangelo and Galileo are unfortunate, but passing ain’t an option. The other three don’t rank at this elite level. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/279 "2010-05-08T11:42:20Z")
Invention. Louis Dagurre Leader. Queen Elizabeth I Philosophy. Nicoli Machiavelli Religion. St Augustine Science. Nicolas Copernicus ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/280 "2010-05-08T12:29:28Z")
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