# The 100 Most Influential People - Try the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080 "2010-04-14T16:58:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/301 "2010-05-10T22:22:33Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I’m also somewhat astonished that Augustine was ousted before Luther, when Luther himself was heavily influenced by Augustine. C’mon people! That makes no sense! Actually, I’ll use a bit of reasoning by Hart to defend Luther over Augustine: Luther was very influential in both the religious and political realms, whereas Augustine was influential mostly in the religious realm. In my rankings, Luther is the second most influential Christian on the religion list (behind Jesus). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2010, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/302 "2010-05-10T22:45:47Z")
Inventor. Henry Ford Leader. Cyrus Philosophy. Plato Religion. Umar ibn al-Khattab Science. Johannes Kepler ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2010, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/303 "2010-05-10T22:49:29Z")
Inventors. Joseph Lister Leaders. Sui Wen Ti Philosophy. Francis Bacon Religion. Moses Science. Nicolas Copernicus ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/304 "2010-05-11T00:26:24Z")
Inventor. Marconi Leader. Hitler Philosophy. Thomas Jefferson Religion. Constantine Science. Copernicus New on the block are Jefferson, who as a philosopher didn’t advance much beyond Locke (besides which, I learned elsewhere on the Dope that he was just a puppet of James Madison’s); and Constantine, who narrowly beats out Luther and 'Umar - once those three are gone it REALLY gets tight. ---
**Author:** ![XanderCrews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ee59a6/32.png) [@XanderCrews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XanderCrews)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/305 "2010-05-11T01:56:06Z")
Inventions. Henry Ford Leaders. Adolf Hitler Philosophy and Arts. Michelangelo Religion. 'Umar ibn al-Khattab Science. Nicolas Copernicus Round ended while I was doing my post earlier, so instead of Dagurre let’s do Henry Ford. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/306 "2010-05-11T02:58:13Z")
Invention. Henry Ford Leader. Cyrus the Great Philosophy. Confucius Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Science. Enrico Fermi 2 new faces. Picking Henry Ford because his real genius lay in factory running. Sooner or later, someone could have come up with the same concept. Besides, his dice roll was terrible. Picking Fermi because there’s too many atomic bomb scientist on the list. Some have got to go. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/307 "2010-05-11T03:02:44Z")
Surprised seeing Hitler getting votes. That nutter OWNS the 20th Century. There’s not a damn thing after 1939 that Hitler didn’t directly effect politically, socially and scientifically. Like it or not, we are who we are thanks to Adolf. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/308 "2010-05-11T03:30:16Z")
Invention: Joseph Lister Politics: Josef Stalin Arts and Philosophy: Michelangelo Religion: 'Umar ibn al-Khattab Science: Ernest Rutherford ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/309 "2010-05-11T16:02:54Z")
Inventions. Gugilemo Marconi Leaders. Cyrus the Great Philosophy. Michelangelo Religion. Buddha Sciences. Michael Faraday ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/310 "2010-05-12T00:32:03Z")
Galileo Galilei eliminated. I’m stunned. The first true empirical scientist gone!? Oh well, there are worse to come. I hit three out of the other four, but I think that’s the result of showing up late… This time it’s Invention. James Watt Leaders. George Washington Philosophy. Francis Bacon Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Science. Nicolas Copernicus James Watt made a big a leap in the effienciency of steam engines, but never invented it. George Washington was an astounding leader. But the times were overwhelmed with political and philosphical leadership. Bacon? Payback for Galileo! The expansion of the Calphate doesn’t resound with current situations and his early suppression of Mohamed; what was he: St Paul II? Nicolas Copernicus made a leap of imagination, as those before him, from Geocentric to Heliocentric models of the Cosmos. But in the end he was still forced to use epicycles, and such, to achieve even the accuracy of the Ptolemaic system which he was supposedly overthrowing, at least according to some modern sources. ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/311 "2010-05-12T00:44:25Z")
Inventor. Joseph Lister Leader. Cyrus the Great Philosophy. Lao Tzu Religion. Constantine the Great Science. Ernest Rutherford Constantine is the only change from last round. Tough cut, but hey, the city once named after him is now Istanbul… ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/312 "2010-05-12T15:27:40Z")
Last day for round 10… ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/313 "2010-05-12T16:02:52Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > Tough cut, but hey, the city once named after him is now Istanbul… People just liked it better that way. ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/314 "2010-05-12T21:07:55Z")
Inventions. Antony van Leeuwenhoek Leader. Napoleon Bonaparte Philosophy. Lao Tzu Religion. Constantine the Great Science. Johannes Kepler ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/315 "2010-05-13T07:50:02Z")
Inventors. Guglielmo Marconi Leaders. Alexander the Great Philosophy. Michelangelo Religion. Constantine the Great Science. Nicolas Copernicus There is some dispute whether Marconi really invented the radio. The credit for that probably belongs to Tesla, and there were some serious patent issues about the invention. Alexander brought some greek influence to the middle eastern region, but his empire was short lived. The romans idolized Alexander, but I’d rate him below the other leaders who are left. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/316 "2010-05-13T14:16:07Z")
Round 10 is over! The losers are: **Category, Name, # of votes** I, Henry Ford, 4 L, Adolf Hitler, 5 P, Michelangelo, 7 R, ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, 7 S, Nicolas Copernicus, 6 The big surprise is Hitler coming out of nowhere to get booted off Island Influential over such perennial vote-getters like Cyrus the Great. Michaelangelo was the second-to-last artist on the list. Shakespeare fans the world over are rejoicing at the news at their guy being the most Influential Artist Ever. (Personal observation: Did somebody actually vote for Plato? :eek: ) Names for round 10: **Inventors** Alexander Fleming, Scientist, Invented Penicillin Antony van Leeuwenhoek, Scientist, Inventor of Microscope Edward Jenner, Scientist, Developed Vaccination for Smallpox Gugilemo Marconi, Scientist, Invented Radio James Watt, British Scientist, Invented Steam Engine Johann Gutenberg, Scientist, Inventor of Printing Press Joseph Lister, Scientist, Developed Antiseptic Methods Nikolaus August Otto, Scientist, Developed Internal Combustion Engine Thomas Edison, American Scientist, 1,000+ inventions Ts’ai Lun, Scientist, Inventor of Paper **Leaders** Alexander the Great, Macedonian Ruler, Formed Macedonian Empire Augustus Caesar, Roman Princep, Founded Roman Empire Cyrus the Great, Persian Emperor, Founded Persian Emperor Genghis Khan, Mongol Ruler, Founded Mongol Empire George Washington, American Statesman and General, Fought For Independence of United States Josef Stalin, Dictator of USSR, Expanded Communism Julius Caesar, Roman General, Ended Roman Civil Wars Lenin, Russian Leader, Founded Communism in Russia Mao Zedong, Chinese Dictator, Established Communism in China Napoleon Bonaparte, French Emperor, Waged Napoleonic Wars Sui Wen Ti, Chinese Emperor, Reunited China William the Conquerer, Norman Duke and English King, Led In Norman Conquest of England **Philosophy** Adam Smith, Economist, Advocated Capitalism Aristotle, Greek Philosopher Confucius, Chinese Philosopher, Founder of Confucianism Francis Bacon, Philosopher, Developed Scientific Method John Locke, British Philosopher, Developed Democratic Ideas Karl Marx, Economist, Founder of Communism Lao Tzu, Chinese Philosopher, Founded Taoism Plato, Greek Philosopher, Developed Platonism Thomas Jefferson, American Statesman, Wrote Declaration of Independence, Louisiana Purchase William Shakespeare, English Playwright **Religion** Buddha, Founder of Buddhism Constantine the Great, Roman Emperor, Tolerated and Promoted Christianity in Rome Jesus Christ, Founder of Christianity Martin Luther, Theologian, Started Protestantism and Reformation Mohammed, Founder of Islam Moses, Jewish Prophet St Paul, Christian Missionary and Apostle **Science** Albert Einstein, Scientist, Physicist, Theory of Relativity Charles Darwin, British Scientist, Theory of Evolution Enrico Fermi, Scientist, Developed Atomic Bomb Ernest Rutherford, Scientist, Developed Subatomic Physics Euclid, Greek Mathematician Isaac Newton, British Scientist, Theory of Universal Gravitation and Motion Johannes Kepler, Scientist, Developed Theories of Planetary Motion John Dalton, Scientist, Atomic Theory Louis Pasteur, Scientist, Pasteurization, Germ Theory of Disease Max Planck, Scientist, Developed Therodynamics Michael Faraday, British Scientist, Discovered Electromagnetism ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/317 "2010-05-13T14:17:32Z")
I was 0 for 5 in the last round, so hopefully we can vote these bastards out this round… 😉 Inventors. Nikolaus August Otto Leaders. Mao Zedong Philosophy. Lao Tzu Religion. Constantine Science. John Dalton ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/318 "2010-05-13T14:21:41Z")
On a personal note, with that last post this has become my most succesful thread ever, beating out [So, just what was Jesus’ message](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=112222) from all the way back in 2002. Party! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/319 "2010-05-13T14:31:39Z")
Inventors. Marconi Leaders. Alexander the Great Philosophy. Thomas Jefferson Religion. Constantine Science. Enrico Fermi New votes: Alexander - this is my first “tough out” - his rule didn’t last long, but it did have long-lasting consequences; but everyone else remaining is also extremely important and influential. Fermi - 20th century physicists aside from Einstein really are too closely grouped for any one to be extremely influential. Also: Wow, I didn’t expect my Hitler vote to bear fruit that fast. A brief justification: I think “influence” (in whatever direction) should include the influence being in a direction that the figure would have intended or approved, and Hitler’s long-term influence on the twentieth century includes dividing and weakening Germany and Europe in military terms, discrediting right-wing nationalism, dictatorship, (especially) “scientific” racism, and (more especially) “scientific” anti-semitism, and providing a serious impetus to the foundation of the state of Israel. I don’t think this was exactly what he was aiming at. (Contrast Napoleon, whose code of law is still the basis of French and a lot of other jurisprudence, and who helped to established the metric system.) ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/320 "2010-05-13T14:34:38Z")
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