# The 100 Most Influential People - Try the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080 "2010-04-14T16:58:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/461 "2010-06-01T13:53:24Z")
Inventors. Ts’ai Lun Leaders. Lenin Philosophy. Karl Marx Science. Charles Darwin Only 1 change this time. Paper before the press? Yeah, because it was the invention of the printing press in Europe which gave them the ability to become the first civilization to spread (and administer) their empires on a global scale. It allowed for the storage, distribution, and multiplication of ideas on a scale never before seen, gave the means for future Revolutions and Reformations to occur and succeed, and a lot more than I’ll be able to go into in this little post. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/462 "2010-06-01T14:08:26Z")
Inventors. Ts’ai Lun Leaders. Julius Caesar Philosophy. Confucius Science. Louis Pasteur Aww, I missed the last round… stupid holiday. I was slightly dismayed to see Jesus booted before Paul, but _flabbergasted_ to see Paul gone before Mohommed. I suspect the Dope’s famous anti-Christian bias is showing; Christianity has been more influential than Islam in almost every conceivable category and for seven centuries longer. Oh well, at least it makes my first vote in the finals easier. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/463 "2010-06-01T14:37:39Z")
Inventors. James Watt Leaders. Augustus Caesar Philosophy. Confucius Science. Louis Pasteur ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/464 "2010-06-01T16:02:25Z")
Inventors. Thomas Edison Leaders. Sui Wen Ti Philosophy. Karl Marx Science. Euclid It seems clear who’ll get #1 and #2 in science, but I have trouble picking among Galileo, Darwin and Pasteur for slots #3-#5. Fortunately I don’t have to pick: Euclid is still there for elimination. > [@Skammer](#): > > … _flabbergasted_ to see Paul gone before Mohommed. I suspect the Dope’s famous anti-Christian bias is showing; Christianity has been more influential than Islam in almost every conceivable category and for seven centuries longer… Christianity is more influential, but what portion of that is due to Paul? Egypt has been more influential than France over the long term, but Napoleon lingered till just now, while Menes is long gone. What _flabbergasts_ me is to see Sui Wen Ti still around, while the First Emperor, who built the Great Wall, is long gone. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/465 "2010-06-01T21:11:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Mohammed has won the religion category… I’ll send him an email later, let him know what he won. Wouldn’t it be easier to bring Mohammed to the e-mail? > [@](#): > > I was slightly dismayed to see Jesus booted before Paul, but flabbergasted to see Paul gone before Mohommed. I suspect the Dope’s famous anti-Christian bias is showing; Christianity has been more influential than Islam in almost every conceivable category and for seven centuries longer. I think it was more the dilution effect. Jesus and Paul split the influence over Christianity while Mohammed had sole influence over Islam. Inventor. James Watt Leader. V.I. Lenin Philosophy. Plato Science. Charles Darwin Another recycling. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/466 "2010-06-01T22:05:31Z")
Inventions. Johann Gutenberg Leader. George Washington Philosophy. Karl Marx Science. Louis Pasteur ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/467 "2010-06-02T02:17:12Z")
Inventors: Thomas Edison Leaders: Augustus Caesar Philosophy: Karl Marx Science: Charles Darwin ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/468 "2010-06-02T03:19:55Z")
Invention. James Watt Leader. Julius Caesar Philosophy. Confucius Science. Louis Pasteur Two new faces, as the religion section closes. Picking James Watt, who more or less helped kick off the Industrial revolution, but what the hey, someone has got to go. And picking on poor Louis Pasteur who liked to boil things. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/469 "2010-06-02T04:43:12Z")
Invention. James Watt Leaders. Genghis Khan Philosophy. Karl Marx Science. Louis Pasteur ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/470 "2010-06-02T13:25:40Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I suspect the Dope’s famous anti-Christian bias is showing If only I had known, I would have shown up years ago. But the Dope’s anti-Shakespeare bias is really putting me off my tea. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/471 "2010-06-02T16:53:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Mohammed has won the religion category… I’ll send him an email later, let him know what he won. 😉 Let’s draw him celebrating his vic- _gets shot_ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/472 "2010-06-02T19:31:36Z")
Last day for round 17! ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/473 "2010-06-02T21:59:23Z")
Inventors. Ts’ai Lun Leaders. Genghis Khan Philosophy. Plato Science. Euclid The picks are getting tougher with every round. I voted for Ts’ai Lun for largely the same reasons that JohnT already described. ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/474 "2010-06-02T22:03:28Z")
Inventors. Ts’ai Lun Leaders. Genghis Khan Philosophy. Plato Science. Louis Pasteur ---
**Author:** ![XanderCrews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ee59a6/32.png) [@XanderCrews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XanderCrews)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/475 "2010-06-03T00:19:54Z")
Inventors: Thomas Edison Leaders: Julius Caesar Philosophy: Confuscius Science: Charles Darwin ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/476 "2010-06-03T03:38:40Z")
Inventor. Ts’ai Lun Leader. Sui Wen Ti Philosophy. Confucius Science. Louis Pasteur For the first two, I’m admittedly going with my Western bias – the names just aren’t as universally known outside China as are the Europeans’ and Americans’. Pasteur is a tough choice, but seems just a little less of a giant than his competitors. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/477 "2010-06-03T04:54:55Z")
Invention. Ts’ai Lun Leaders. Julius Caesar Philosophy. Aristotle Science. Isaac Newton ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/478 "2010-06-03T13:53:53Z")
I think that’s the first vote for Isaac Newton (my odds-on favorite to win the scientist category) in this contest. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/479 "2010-06-03T14:06:35Z")
Round 17 is over! **Category, Name, # of votes** I, Ts’ai Lun, 6 L, Julius Caesar, 4 P, Karl Marx, 5 S, Louis Pasteur, 7 Marx lost the tie-breaker with Confucius. I’m surprised Lenin is still hanging around - Caesar was largely responsible for the Romanization (such as it was, of course) of Europe with enormous consequences for the future of global history, while Lenin’s influence was, imho, much less so. But that’s why we play the game, eh? 🙂 Remaining names: **Inventors** James Watt, British Scientist, Invented Steam Engine, Invention and Exploration Johann Gutenberg, Scientist, Inventor of Printing Press, Invention and Exploration Thomas Edison, American Scientist, 1,000+ inventions, Invention and Exploration **Leaders** Augustus Caesar, Roman Princep, Founded Roman Empire, Leader Genghis Khan, Mongol Ruler, Founded Mongol Empire, Leader George Washington, American Statesman and General, Fought For Independence of United States, Leader Lenin, Russian Leader, Founded Communism in Russia, Leader Sui Wen Ti, Chinese Emperor, Reunited China, Leader **Philosophy** Aristotle, Greek Philosopher, Philosophy and Arts Confucius, Chinese Philosopher, Founder of Confucianism, Philosophy and Arts Plato, Greek Philosopher, Developed Platonism, Philosophy and Arts **Science** Albert Einstein, Scientist, Physicist, Theory of Relativity, Science Charles Darwin, British Scientist, Theory of Evolution, Science Euclid, Greek Mathematician, Science Isaac Newton, British Scientist, Theory of Universal Gravitation and Motion, Science ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/480 "2010-06-03T14:14:30Z")
2 replacements: Inventors. Thomas Edison Leaders. Lenin Philosophy. Confucius Science. Charles Darwin That inventor category is a beyatch - might as well close your eyes and randomly draw a name. I chose Edison because: a. I believe that the invention of the printing press is the most significant single invention of the past 1,000 years. b. The Industrial Revolution is the single most important societal development since the development of agriculture, and Watt, rightly or wrongly, is seen as its “starter”. c. Edison is supremely influential: movies, electric light, recorded sound, etc. But he would’ve never been able to achieve any of this without an industrial economy. Philosophy was easy, what with me being a Westerner and all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080.md?page=25)