# The 100 Most Influential People - Try the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080 "2010-04-14T16:58:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/521 "2010-06-07T15:44:58Z")
Inventors. Watt Leaders. Washington Philosophy. Plato Science. Euclid ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/522 "2010-06-07T17:08:38Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Actually, Plato was the master. But the student far surpassed the master in this case. :smack: :o I was thinking of Socrates when I typed that. Really! I was! :o ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/523 "2010-06-07T18:31:53Z")
Inventors. James Watt Leaders. Genghis Khan Philosophy. Plato Science. Euclid ---
**Author:** ![XanderCrews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ee59a6/32.png) [@XanderCrews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XanderCrews)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/524 "2010-06-07T18:42:10Z")
Inventors. Guttenburg Leaders. Sui Wen Ti Philosophy. Plato Science. Euclid ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/525 "2010-06-07T19:49:36Z")
Wow, there is a lot of agreement in three categories, but the Leaders are all over the board. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/526 "2010-06-07T19:50:35Z")
Indicates to me that there are clear leaders in all categories except Leaders. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/527 "2010-06-07T20:08:58Z")
As I’ve said earlier, at this level of influence the leaders really don’t impress me much; I don’t think any of the four we have left come close to the top 5 in the other 3 categories in the mark they’ve made on history. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/528 "2010-06-07T21:26:12Z")
Inventions. Johann Gutenberg Leader. George Washington Philosophy. Plato Science. Albert Einstein ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/529 "2010-06-07T21:32:52Z")
Inventor. James Watt Leader. Sui Wen Ti Philosophy. Plato Science. Albert Einstein Plato, my only debut choice, looks to be headed for a sweep of the negative kind. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/530 "2010-06-08T01:14:04Z")
Inventor: James Watt Leader: George Washington Philosophy: Plato Science: Euclid ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/531 "2010-06-08T03:00:26Z")
Invention. James Watt Leader. Sui Wen Ti Philosophy. Plato Science. Euclid Only Plato is the new face. Gee whiz, reading the Republic made me wish I was in a cave… ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/532 "2010-06-08T03:35:04Z")
Inventors. James Watt Leaders. Sui Wen Ti Philosophy. Plato Science. Euclid ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/533 "2010-06-08T03:40:59Z")
> [@Uncle\_Goat](#): > > Gee whiz, reading the Republic made me wish I was in a cave… You had a _cave_?! We had to live in shadows flittin’ 'bout on wall of cave. A cave? Luxury! ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/534 "2010-06-08T11:42:31Z")
> [@MonkeyMensch](#): > > You had a _cave_?! We had to live in shadows flittin’ 'bout on wall of cave. A cave? Luxury! Hey, we had to get up a half an hour before we went to bed and pick gravel off the road with our tongues. And when we got home, our father would murder us and dance on our graves. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/535 "2010-06-08T13:39:10Z")
> [@Uncle\_Goat](#): > > Hey, we had to get up a half an hour before we went to bed and pick > gravel off the road with our tongues. And when we got home, our father would > murder us and dance on our graves. You had a father _and_ a grave? We should all be so lucky. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/536 "2010-06-08T20:07:19Z")
Inventors. James Watt Leaders. Genghis Khan Philosophy. Aristotle Science. Euclid ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/537 "2010-06-08T20:10:36Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Philosophy. Aristotle I was rooting (silently) for Aristotle to get through the whole elimination round without drawing a single vote. Now I don’t think anyone will have that distinction (there was a Newton vote a while ago, and a handful of Gutenbergs this round and I think a couple in earlier rounds as well). I didn’t mention it earlier 'cause I figured someone would vote for him just to be contrary. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/538 "2010-06-09T06:31:26Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I was rooting (silently) for Aristotle to get through the whole elimination round without drawing a single vote. Aristotle was certainly very influential, but was it a _good_ influence? Many of his ideas were wrong. Another famous influential thinker with incorrect ideas was Descartes. Christiaan Huygens (one of the more important scientist/inventors who did _not_ make Hart’s list) once wrote: [QUOTE=Huygens;] (as quoted in **The Best of All Possible Worlds: Mathematics and Destiny** By Ivar Ekeland (avail at Google Books): “… But having since discovered in [Descartes’ Principles] things which are patently wrong, and others which are extremely unlikely, I have reconsidered my previous position, and today, in all of his physics, or metaphysics, or meteors, I find almost nothing to which I can subscribe as being correct.” [/QUOTE] Aristotle’s famous _Law of the Excluded Middle_ has sometimes been blamed for the less holistic cognition style of Occident compared with Orient, but this blame seems exaggerated. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/539 "2010-06-09T13:59:56Z")
Round 19 is over! The losers are: **Category, Name, # of Votes** I, James Watt, 12 L, Sui Wen Ti, 7 P, Plato, 14 S, Euclid, 11 Congratulations to Johann Gutenberg and Aristotle for winning their respective categories! This round will determine the top scientist and the final two for the Leader category. **Leaders** Augustus Caesar, Roman Princep, Founded Roman Empire Genghis Khan, Mongol Ruler, Founded Mongol Empire George Washington, American Statesman and General, Fought For Independence of United States **Scientists** Albert Einstein, Scientist, Physicist, Theory of Relativity, Science Isaac Newton, British Scientist, Theory of Universal Gravitation and Motion, Science ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/540 "2010-06-09T14:00:58Z")
My votes: Leader. Genghis Khan Science. Albert Einstein [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080.md?page=28)