# The 100 Most Influential People - Try the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080 "2010-04-14T16:58:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![The\_Walking\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/90ced4/32.png) [@The\_Walking\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Walking_Dude)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/101 "2010-04-20T13:18:54Z")
Inventors. Francisco Pizarro Leaders. Simon Bolivar Philosophy. Johann Sebastian Bach Religion. Zoroaster Science. Antonine Laurent Lavoisier ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/102 "2010-04-20T13:48:05Z")
Invention.Alexander Graham Bell Leader.Mikhail Gorbachev Arts.Ludwig von Beethoven Religion.Asoka Science.Galileo Galilei Four of my votes are the same as last round. Since Mani is gone, I vote for Asoka. Buddhism strikes me as less influential in history than any of the other major religions, even though it’s been embraced by millions of people. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/103 "2010-04-20T15:19:22Z")
Invention. Ts’ai Lun Leader. Mikhail Gorbachev Philosophy and Art. Homer Religion. Oliver Cromwell Science. Gregor Mendel ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/104 "2010-04-20T15:30:53Z")
I already voted, but I thought I’d raise a point: SOME of the people on these lisst were more influential in GENERAL than in the fields they’re categorized in here. Right now, Oliver Cromwell is placed in the Religion category, with theologians and founders of various religions. Well, within that field, Cromwell wasn’t very important at all. He wasn’t a theologian, and never said or wrote anything about his faith that was of any lasting importance. Still, he was more responsible than any other single person for transforming England from a traditional monarchy into a parliamentary republic. That, in turn, means he deserves a lot of the credit for the spread of representative government around the globe. That makes him mighty important, in my book, but as a political and military leader, not as a religious figure. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/105 "2010-04-20T16:46:56Z")
**Astorian** , In coming up with categories, I had 27 Leaders and 14 Religious figures. To get the 5 categories to be (roughly) even in number I had to make some decisions that took people out of 1 category and placed them in another. And you’re right: Oliver Cromwell was one that I took from the Leader category and placed in the Religion one. As I said, “influential” is defined by the poster. Nobody is limited to determining if person A is influential strictly within the category in which they are found, unless that’s how they want to play it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/106 "2010-04-21T00:45:30Z")
Francisco Pizarro Queen Isabella I Johann Sebastian Bach Moses William Conrad Roentgen ---
**Author:** ![Panurge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/fbc32d/32.png) [@Panurge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Panurge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/107 "2010-04-21T07:14:10Z")
Yikes! Haven’t you all paid attention to **JohnT**? _Don’t vote for Bach yet_, dammit! And **RickJay** - I think you need to reformat your answers so they fit **JohnT** ’s template: Invention. Francisco Pizarro Leader. Queen Isabella I … ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/108 "2010-04-21T07:48:34Z")
> [@Panurge](#): > > Invention. Francisco Pizarro > Leader. Queen Isabella I > … Uh, **Panurge** , didn’t you already vote this round? We’re on the honour system here! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Panurge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/fbc32d/32.png) [@Panurge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Panurge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/109 "2010-04-21T11:44:30Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Uh, **Panurge** , didn’t you already vote this round? We’re on the honour system here! 🆒 Yup, sure did. It was an attempt to show the answer format to **RickJay**. If **JohnT** is as rigid with the rules as **Dolores Reborn** is in the feuds, RickJay’s answer will be disqualified. I suppose I shouldn’t be too upset about that, seeing that it would lead to one vote less for good old Johann B.. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/110 "2010-04-21T16:41:41Z")
Invention. Christopher Columbus Leader. John F Kennedy Philosophy and Arts. Thomas Malthus Religion. Oliver Cromwell Science. James Clerk Marxwell Hated that, it just made me feel stupid. Please don’t question my answers as I won’t be able to defend them convincingly. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/111 "2010-04-21T16:46:28Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > Invention. Christopher Columbus > Leader. John F Kennedy > Philosophy and Arts. Thomas Malthus > Religion. Oliver Cromwell > Science. James Clerk Marxwell > > Hated that, it just made me feel stupid. Please don’t question my answers as I won’t be able to defend them convincingly. Can I question you for voting for Kennedy and Malthus, who have already been eliminated? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Uncle\_Goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Goat)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/112 "2010-04-21T21:05:04Z")
Invention. Christopher Columbus Leader. Simon Bolivar Philosophy. Rene Descartes Religion. Zoroaster Science. Leonhard Euler ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/113 "2010-04-21T22:22:21Z")
6 and a half hours to go for round 3! ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/114 "2010-04-22T12:35:57Z")
Round 2 Inventions and Exploration. Christopher Columbus Leader. Charlemagne Philosophy and Arts. Thomas Malthus Religion. Oliver Cromwell Science. Galileo Galilei Reasoning: Inventions and Exploration. Christopher Columbus: He just bumped into some land, and not even the bit he was looking for. If he hadn’t, the next boat would’ve done. Leader. Charlemagne: I struggle with the long term significance of the Holy Roman Empire compared with nation states Philosophy and Arts. Thomas Malthus: He’s British and yet relatively unknown amongst the general population Religion. Oliver Cromwell: his significance was political more than spiritual Science. Galileo Galilei: just one of a number with similar ideas ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/115 "2010-04-22T14:34:07Z")
If it’s not too late to vote in this round… Inventors. Joseph Lister Leaders. Charlemagne Philosophy. Jean-Jacques Rousseau Religion. Zoroaster Science. Gregor Mendel I’m surprised to see Galileo and Kepler getting votes already. I’ve wondered about Galileo: his reputation is _enormous_ but, as SanVito implies, Jerome Cardan and Simon Stevin each may have formulated the Law of Falling Bodies earlier. I’ll save my plea for Kepler: Kepler’s Laws of Planetary Motion were _not_ an easy discovery whose time had come. Celestial motions might seem unimportant or even irrelevant, but their purity directly inspired Newton’s physics and calculus which then _could_ be applied to problems on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/116 "2010-04-22T21:40:18Z")
Voting for round 3 is “officially” closed ( **Septimus** , your votes will count, of course). I’ll have the results in about an hour or two… ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/117 "2010-04-22T22:16:58Z")
Uh, that last post was a lie. On compiling the figures, I, er, noticed that I forgot to vote in my own contest. :o Inventors. Hernando Cortes Leaders. Queen Isabella I Philosophy. Nicoli Machiavelli Religion. Zoroaster Science. Antonine Laurent Lavoisier ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/118 "2010-04-22T22:28:58Z")
Fraud! I’m calling Jimmy Carter! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/119 "2010-04-22T22:46:52Z")
Round 3 losers are: **Category, Name, # of votes** I, Francisco Pizarro, 7 L, Simon Bolivar, 5 P, Johann Sebastian Bach, 5 (!!!) R, Oliver Cromwell, 9 S, Gregor Mendel, 5 The people remaining for Round 4 are: **Inventors** Alexander Fleming, Scientist, Invented Penicillin Alexander Graham Bell, Scientist, Invented Telephone Antony van Leeuwenhoek, Scientist, Inventor of Microscope Christopher Columbus, Explorer, Discoverer of America Edward Jenner, Scientist, Developed Vaccination for Smallpox Gugilemo Marconi, Scientist, Invented Radio Henry Ford, American Industrialist, Developed Mass Production Techniques Hernando Cortes, Spanish Adventurer, Conquered Aztec Empire James Watt, British Scientist, Invented Steam Engine Johann Gutenberg, Scientist, Inventor of Printing Press Joseph Lister, Scientist, Developed Antiseptic Methods Louis Dagurre, Scientist, Invented Photography Nikolaus August Otto, Scientist, Developed Internal Combustion Engine Orville and Wilbur Wright, Scientists, Inventor of Airplane Thomas Edison, American Scientist, 1,000+ inventions Ts’ai Lun, Scientist, Inventor of Paper William TG Morton, Scientist, Invented Anaesthesia **Leaders** Adolf Hitler, German Dictator, Started World War II Alexander the Great, Macedonian Ruler, Formed Macedonian Empire Augustus Caesar, Roman Princep, Founded Roman Empire Charlemagne, Frankish Monarch, Founder of Holy Roman Empire Cyrus the Great, Persian Emperor, Founded Persian Emperor Genghis Khan, Mongol Ruler, Founded Mongol Empire George Washington, American Statesman and General, Fought For Independence of United States Josef Stalin, Dictator of USSR, Expanded Communism Julius Caesar, Roman General, Ended Roman Civil Wars Lenin, Russian Leader, Founded Communism in Russia Mao Zedong, Chinese Dictator, Established Communism in China Mikhail Gorbachev, Soviet Leader, Liberalized and Helped Break Up USSR Napoleon Bonaparte, French Emperor, Waged Napoleonic Wars Peter the Great, Russian Emperor, Modernized Russia Queen Elizabeth I, Queen of England, Made England a Naval Power Queen Isabella I, Queen of Spain, Sponsored Columbus’ Expeditions Shi Huang Di, Chinese Emperor, United China Sui Wen Ti, Chinese Emperor, Reunited China William the Conquerer, Norman Duke and English King, Led In Norman Conquest of England **Philosophy** Adam Smith, Economist, Advocated Capitalism Aristotle, Greek Philosopher Confucius, Chinese Philosopher, Founder of Confucianism Francis Bacon, Philosopher, Developed Scientific Method Homer, Greek Poet, Writer of Epics Jean-Jacques Rosseau, French Philosopher and Writer John Locke, British Philosopher, Developed Democratic Ideas Karl Marx, Economist, Founder of Communism Lao Tzu, Chinese Philosopher, Founded Taoism Ludwig von Beethoven, Composer Michelangelo, Artist, Sculptor Nicoli Machiavelli, Political Theorist Plato, Greek Philosopher, Developed Platonism Rene Descrates, French Philosopher Thomas Jefferson, American Statesman, Wrote Declaration of Independence, Louisiana Purchase Voltaire, French Philosopher William Shakespeare, English Playwright **Religion** ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, Muslim Caliph, Expanded the Caliphate Asoka, Indian Emperor, Spread Buddhism Buddha, Founder of Buddhism Constantine the Great, Roman Emperor, Tolerated and Promoted Christianity in Rome Jesus Christ, Founder of Christianity John Calvin, Christian Theologian, Developed Calvinism Justinian I, Byzantine Emperor, Recovered Much of Roman Empire Martin Luther, Theologian, Started Protestantism and Reformation Mohammed, Founder of Islam Moses, Jewish Prophet Pope Urban II, Pope of Roman Catholic Church, Called For Crusades St Augustine, Christian Theologian St Paul, Christian Missionary and Apostle Zoraster, Founder of Zorasterianism **Science** Albert Einstein, Scientist, Physicist, Theory of Relativity Antonine Laurent Lavoisier, French Scientist, Advanced Chemistry Charles Darwin, British Scientist, Theory of Evolution Enrico Fermi, Scientist, Developed Atomic Bomb Ernest Rutherford, Scientist, Developed Subatomic Physics Euclid, Greek Mathematician Galileo Galilei, Scientist, Advocated Heliocentricity Isaac Newton, British Scientist, Theory of Universal Gravitation and Motion James Clerk Marxwell, Scientist, Electromagnetism Johannes Kepler, Scientist, Developed Theories of Planetary Motion John Dalton, Scientist, Atomic Theory Leonhard Euler, Mathematician Louis Pasteur, Scientist, Pasteurization, Germ Theory of Disease Max Planck, Scientist, Developed Therodynamics Michael Faraday, British Scientist, Discovered Electromagnetism Nicolas Copernicus, Scientist, Theory of Heliocentricity Werner Heisenberg, Scientist, Developed Quantum Physics William Conrad Roentgen, Scientist, Discovered X-Rays, principles of radioactivity ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-100-most-influential-people-try-the-third/536080/120 "2010-04-22T22:59:19Z")
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