# The 10th Danielinthewolvesden pit thread-Collect them all **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2001, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385 "2001-03-01T15:09:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2001, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/1 "2001-03-01T15:09:16Z")
**Lynn, John, Alpha** Sorry about opening up yet another Danielinthewolvesden thread, but I wasn’t comfortable hijacking [Ben’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=61819) pit thread, where, among other things, **Ben** takes Danny to task about constant habit of calling Ben a Nazi. (That’s a whole different level of complaint), and I didn’t want to leave this in the [Jack Chick](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=61703) thread. Jack Chick threads come around so rarely that they shouldn’t be hijacked by the following kind of thing. If I’ve guessed wrong, let me apologize in advance for the extra work. \Now on to the Weasel. Let’s go over your lies in the Jack Chick thread point by point. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Danielinthewolvesden \* \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > > > > A lie. \ Daniel, you must begin to use your vast weasel powers for good and not evil. If anyone curious would follow those links on the first page, they can see that I cited names, web-pages, radio shows, etc. I quoted real-life people’s arguments. QED, it’s not a Straw-Man. > > > > The common useage is “Attacking a position that the opponent doesn’t hold, but attributing that position to the opponent”. > > > > Another lie. David B. said that this topic and the discussion at hand _was_ appropriate for GD. David B. has the authority to determine appropriateness of posts. He (and Gaudere) left both posts where they were. > > Fenris (and why “wolves” and not “lions”?) \*\* > > \>1 Nobody was agueing back. You SAID, and i beleive you- that you took the actual words from someone else work- but context, and the ability to explain and defend is everything. \*\* A lie. YOU said it was a “straw man” argument. The ability to “explain and defend” has **nothing** to do with the “straw man” fallacy. > [@](#): > > \*\* That is why the there is a “defense” attorney in trials. You guys did not bother with any defense- you picked out lines & viewpoints, out of context- \*\* A lie. Ok twerp. Put your money where your mouth is. _Where_ exactly did I take any of those viewpoints out of context? Quote me and provide a link. I provided several web sites. Besides, how can one take the fact that these people believe in a “water canopy” (the discussion at hand) out of context. They either do or they don’t. \*\* > [@](#): > > and mocked them. Maybe, if they were here to defend themselves they would have made a poor showing, or at least agreed your re-phrasing of their words was correct, and properly in context. > But maybe they were not. You can take just about anyones work, and pick some lines out of context, or re-phase them- and make them sound like idiots. ,\*\* Two lies: one about correct “rephrasing”, ironic considering the next point and a second lie, since **Foxfyre** was arguing the pro-creation ‘science’ side. Did you actually follow the links that _show the context_? And besides, we weren’t discussing subtle nuances of meaning, we were discussing the specific beliefs of creation ‘scientists’. “Where do creation ‘scientists’ believe the water came from?”, “How do they explain the fossil record?” I provided sites and most of the other people were able to provide equally accurate information. Again, either put up or be branded as the lying weasel you are: Which _SPECIFIC_ statement of a creation ‘scientist’ did I misrepresent. Be specific. Quote me…show me where I grossly distorted meaning. > [@](#): > > \*\* You were just shooting ducks in a barrel. Just who were you debating with? Since all of you already had your opinions on the matter- who were going to convince? Some anon lurker? And, just how do you “cite” a radio-show? Was there a link to a transcript that I missed? \*\* Why yes. There was. Please feel free to check the thread. Not a transcript of a specific show, but since I didn’t quote a specific show, a transcript wasn’t necessary. You had claimed that "I used Hank Hanagraff(sp) as an example of someone with a national radio show who believes in creation ‘science’. I provided a link to his web-page where he _where he espouses those same beliefs_. > [@](#): > > \*\*\>2 Not quite- David said (not exact words)“it is OK to START (emph mine) a debate with no-one on the other side- these things usually die after a while”. Which I interpreted as saying: “It was OK to start this, hoping someone will come in and debate the other side, > but when no-body does, it should be ended”. > \*\* A lie. That wasn’t even close. Since I linked to the thread where he said it, why wouldn’t you simply quote him? SEE Daniel’s amazing weasel powers! WATCH in awe as he squirms through the smallest written loophole! GASP as he grossly misinterprets meaning! See him wildly misquote (as opposed to getting a minor word choice wrong.) You asserted several times (as you have here) that > [@](#): > > This IS “great DEBATES”- in order to have one- you need someone to actually argue the other side. (Your favorite phrase, regurgiated above, is “Who were [are] you debating with”?) My question, as snipped by David B, quoted verbatim: > [@](#): > > Does a topic have to have people on both sides of an arguement posting for a topic to be appropriate to Great Debates? David’s entire response follows: > [@](#): > > No. As you indicated, there is no real way to know. > > Generally, if there is nobody to argue with you, the thread will die quickly. It kind of takes care of itself. How in the world do you get “it should be ended” out of that? Since I linked to the page where David wrote it, you couldn’t have simply misremembered… I’m stunned at your constant lies, I’m appalled at your ongoing attempts to associate people who disagree with you with Nazis, and I find your general demeanor on the board distateful. Not that I expect this’ll change anything. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![inor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f475e1/32.png) [@inor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inor)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2001, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/2 "2001-03-01T15:15:49Z")
You are fast becoming one of the posters who’s stuff I check on the strength of the name alone. Huzzah, I say, Huzzah! ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2001, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/3 "2001-03-01T15:37:06Z")
READ with Wonder when DITWD comes in here and “explains” why Fenris is Wrong!! are you selling tickets? ---
**Author:** ![Wildest\_Bill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Wildest\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildest_Bill)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2001, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/4 "2001-03-01T16:02:32Z")
Originally posted by Fenris > [@](#): > > takes Danny to task about constant habit of calling Ben a Nazi. Ben is a Nazi huh? That sure clears up alot of things. Man, Daniel you spend more time in the pit than I do. Good luck dude. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2001, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/5 "2001-03-01T16:06:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\* > are you selling tickets? \*\* Jeepers! I could make a lot of money here. [Chronos](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=61620) wants to pay me to mention him in a post (That’ll be $5.00 Chronos 😉 ), Vanilla want to buy tickets! um…Let’s say $25 for the cheap seats, $75 to for the good ones. (Plus Cecil’s surcharge of 20%, of course, the Admin fee of 10% for Tuba, Lynn and Dex and the Mod Appreciation tax of 5%) I could really clean up! 😃 Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2001, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/6 "2001-03-01T19:19:40Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m appalled at your ongoing attempts to associate people who disagree with you with Nazis. Now let’s be fair. DITWD doesn’t always try to associate his opponents with the Nazis. Sometimes he tries to associate them with the Klan. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2001, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/7 "2001-03-01T19:26:41Z")
> [@](#): > > and why “wolves” and not “lions”? You know, he made a lame attempt to explain this once. It was typical DITWD: Get something dead wrong and then try to weasel around the error. ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2001, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/8 "2001-03-01T22:47:56Z")
So should it be **Danielinthe_weasles_den**? Just curious, I don’t usually read too much of his stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/9 "2001-03-02T07:00:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spoke- \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > and why “wolves” and not “lions”? > > You know, he made a lame attempt to explain this once. It was typical DITWD: Get something dead wrong and then try to weasel around the error. \*\* Wouldst thou deny us a link? -Ben ---
**Author:** ![Protesilaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Protesilaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Protesilaus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/10 "2001-03-02T08:10:55Z")
Here you go, **Ben** : [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=27812](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=27812) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=30994](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=30994) I don’t know if either of these are the thread **spoke-** is referring to, though. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/11 "2001-03-02T16:35:08Z")
The latter thread is the one to which I was referring. Here’s the time line:[ul][li]\*\*March 2000.\*\*DITWD joins the Message Board.[/li][li] **March 2000.**. Wasting no time, DITWD inspires his [very first pit thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=10601). (I actually defended the little bastard in that thread under the misguided principle that we should make allowances for newbies.)[/li][li] **March 27, 2000.** I asked DITWD why he used “wolvesden” instead of “lionsden”. I pointed out that in the Biblical story, Daniel is thrown into a lions’ den, not a wolves’ den. (This is, I believe, the first time anyone had questioned him about his name.)[/li][li]DITWD ignores the question.[/li][li] **March 31, 2000.** **Chef Troy** , in the same thread, again asks DITWD about the apparent error in his username.[/li][li]DITWD ignores the question. Twice. Clear implication: He _had_ no explanation. He had simply screwed up.[/li][li][**June, 2000. (Three months later.)** DITWD (for the first time as far as I can tell) comes up with the lame story “Uh, I knew it was lions, but, uh, I like wolves, and, uh, I didn’t want to compare SDMB posters with lions…”[/li][li]:rolleyes:[/ul][/li] Like I said. Typical DITWD. Get your facts wrong. Get called on the error. Refuse to acknowledge the error. Come up with a convoluted explanation to “prove” that you really didn’t make an error at all! ---
**Author:** ![Jalapeno\_On\_A\_Stick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Jalapeno\_On\_A\_Stick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jalapeno_On_A_Stick)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/12 "2001-03-06T12:05:20Z")
Jesus’ comments about sending his “people” out as “sheep among the wolves.” You gotta admit, that would have been a better answer for DITWD then the lame ass shit he came up with. “I like wolves…” So y’all are wolves and he likes you? What a fucking guy! Do any of you feel special knowing this? No? Can’t imagine why not. I just knew that had to be the reason for the “wolves” reference. Fuck. I hate it when I’m wrong. Goddamnit, I wouldn’t be wrong about it if he would have just told the truth and admitted that that was why he used wolves instead of lions. Wait!! I got it! He just doesn’t want to hurt anyones feelings by saying that you are all a bunch of fucking carniverous, christian eating, wolves. What a nice guy. \ Once, a “christian”, (a very foul mouthed one), got mad at me when I used the word goddamn in his presence and told me I’d better not ever use that word again in front of him. Naturally I told him to fuck hisself and if/when he ever stopped all cussing then I would respect his wishes and not only would I not use that word but no other foul words in his presence. Think that ever happened? Needless to say, didn’t make for a very friendly co-worker. Fuck it. I really ain’t much of a “people-lover” anyway. Dogs are cool though. So are deaf & dumb (mute??) women. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/13 "2001-03-06T12:25:48Z")
Notice in the two linked threads that the explanation isn’t exactly consistent. Things that make you go hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/14 "2001-03-06T12:53:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jalapeno\_On\_A\_Stick \* > \*\*\ > > \*\* Well, because in the Bible bad language is considered to be blasphemy, taking God’s name in vain, and not any of that other fucking shit. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2001, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-10th-danielinthewolvesden-pit-thread-collect-them-all/56385/15 "2001-03-06T13:29:36Z")
Hi, folks. Daniel is no longer a member of this board, having failed to heed the warnings the moderators gave him. Therefore, I’m going to close down this thread as it’s kind of moot. **Jalapeno\_On\_A\_Stick** - Sorry to sort of put the kibosh on the discussion by doing this; if you’d like to continue the discussion of why Christians have weird reactions to certain curse words, feel free to create another thread. John