# The 2011 SDMB Baseball HoF Poll **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 5, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428 "2011-01-05T00:09:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/61 "2011-01-06T16:49:06Z")
It’s just luck of the draw. Other than Morris, who can you name of the top pitchers that debuted between 1970 and 1984 that are even close to Hall-worthy? Ron Guidry may be the closest, and he sure didn’t stick on the ballot long. The fact is that the pitchers who debuted prior to that period were durable enough to outshine all of those who debuted within that time period. Year of debut is not a particularly great way to demarcate an “era” in which the best of that bunch gets elevated to Hall-worthiness. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/62 "2011-01-06T18:48:18Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > I don’t know how you can say Jack Morris was never in the conversation of best pitcher in baseball when the article you linked said writers referred to him as the best pitcher of the 80’s in 1986 and have continued to do so ever since. That would indicate that he sure must have been thought of as being in the conversation as best pitcher in baseball for that time. Of the decade, yes he’s in the conversation. But in the first half of the 80s, Steve Carlton had “best pitcher in baseball” all locked up, and in the second half he had to compete with Clemens, Saberhagen, Gooden, Hershiser, as well as the Compiling King Nolan Ryan. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/63 "2011-01-06T18:56:21Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > It’s just luck of the draw. Other than Morris, who can you name of the top pitchers that debuted between 1970 and 1984 that are even close to Hall-worthy? Trivia question: name the pitcher who debuted in that time period who fits into this slot on the [Career wins above replacement list](http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_pitch_career.shtml): 28 Curt Schilling 69.7 29 Tom Glavine 67.0 30 Mystery Man 66.3 31 Bob Feller 66.0 32 Don Drysdale 65.7 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/64 "2011-01-06T19:16:46Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Although not necessarily the most classy. While I fully support Blyleven’s inclusion, he was an asshole to complain about it. Nobody deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. It’s a privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/65 "2011-01-06T19:48:24Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Dwight Gooden was the greatest pitcher in the 80’s, imho. His few years of dominance were more impressive than Morris’s decade of pretty good. Having poked at this more than I really should have, I’d probably take Dave Stieb, overall. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/66 "2011-01-06T20:39:57Z")
Tom Scud: > [@](#): > > Trivia question: name the pitcher who debuted in that time period who fits into this slot on the Career wins above replacement list: Wild guess: J. R. Richard? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/67 "2011-01-06T20:44:55Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Wild guess: J. R. Richard? Nope, but I’d forgotten him on the list of “snakebit great arms” from that period. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/68 "2011-01-06T21:54:11Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Trivia question: name the pitcher who debuted in that time period who fits into this slot on the [Career wins above replacement list](http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_pitch_career.shtml): > > 28 Curt Schilling 69.7 > 29 Tom Glavine 67.0 > 30 Mystery Man 66.3 > 31 Bob Feller 66.0 > 32 Don Drysdale 65.7 I looked up the answer. Spoilered below in case anyone wanted to continue to guess. Rick Reuschel Pretty darn surprising. He was on a lot of crap teams, didn’t rack up nearly enough wins to be seriously considered for the HOF or anything, although his ERA+ is not drastically different from the likes of Blyleven and certainly better than Morris. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/69 "2011-01-06T22:46:40Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Having poked at this more than I really should have, I’d probably take Dave Stieb, overall. Agreed, Vastly underrated because of the low run support. Should have won the 1982 Cy Young Award. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/70 "2011-01-07T00:31:51Z")
[Excellent article](http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/01/06/the-willie-mays-hall-of-fame/) by Joe Posnanski on who should be in the hall of fame. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/71 "2011-01-07T00:59:32Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > [Excellent article](http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/01/06/the-willie-mays-hall-of-fame/) by Joe Posnanski on who should be in the hall of fame. That’s an _excellent_ article? If the date stamp wasn’t today, I’d swear it was an April Foll’s joke! IMPOSSIBLE to take it seriously! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/72 "2011-01-07T03:15:09Z")
Posnanski’s kidding. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428/73 "2011-01-07T03:23:27Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > That’s an _excellent_ article? If the date stamp wasn’t today, I’d swear it was an April Foll’s joke! IMPOSSIBLE to take it seriously! \ I loved it. I’ve seen so many pundits and message board/blog commentators who seem to think that the HoF standard really is defined by the most inner of the Inner Circle-they’ll then turn around and use this bogus standard as a crude bludgeon to attempt to demolish the candidacy of someone they don’t like, such as Blyleven or Palmiero. The Hall has never been just about the Inner Circle (and indeed the Hall itself makes no such distinction)-players much worse than Blyleven or Palmiero. I’d easily put Bert above these starting HoF pitchers: Chief Bender 3 Finger Brown Jim Bunning Jack Chesbro Stan Covelski Dizzy Dean Don Drysdale Red Faber Lefty Gomez Burleigh Grimes Jesse Haines Waite Hoyt Catfish Hunter Addie Joss Bob Lemon Ted Lyons Rube Marquard Herb Pennock Eppa Rixey Red Ruffing Don Sutton Rube Waddell Vic Willis Early Wynn I threw out 19th century guys like John Clarkson Pud Galvin from consideration: they routinely threw 400+ innings/season-impossible to compare. Anybody who had an argument to stick with Bert, on either peak or career, I tossed too (like Whitey Ford or Jim Palmer, tho I still think Bert was better). And Raffy above these 1B, same criteria: Jake Beckley Jim Bottomley Orlando Cepeda Frank Chance George Kelly Tony Perez George Sisler Bill Terry And a lot of these guys were elected in the 1st 20 years of the Hall, long before the Frankie Frisch Committee to Honor Old Cronies came along. Some have been elected in the past 20 years. I don’t see (without bringing up Dat Old Devil Steroids) how either Blyleven’s or Palmiero’s accomplishments fail to fit in comfortably in with the Hall’s established standards-they easily surpass the bare minimums. Electing players of that caliber helps to strengthen the Hall, not weaken it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-sdmb-baseball-hof-poll/566428.md?page=3)