# The 2016 Democratic Candidates **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400 "2015-01-20T18:50:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/401 "2015-07-12T18:47:25Z")
[Is Jim Webb running for the Tea Party nomination?](http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/jim-webb-equates-trumps-racist-remarks) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/402 "2015-07-12T18:56:17Z")
There’s already a DINO in this race!!! \ ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/403 "2015-07-13T00:11:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Is Jim Webb running for the Tea Party nomination?](http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/jim-webb-equates-trumps-racist-remarks) Its a bit overblown but the Senator has a point-for a lot of “progressives”, the last acceptable bigotry is against Southern working-class whites. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/404 "2015-07-13T00:59:54Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Its a bit overblown but the Senator has a point-for a lot of “progressives”, the last acceptable bigotry is against Southern working-class whites. And Christians. Don’t forget Christians. And men. Don’t forget men. And all of the other groups who claim to be victims of “the last acceptable bigotry.” There are a lot, which is weird. I guess they’re all tied for last. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/405 "2015-07-13T03:10:23Z")
I figured Webb’s message would piss off a lot of progressives, but if they want working class white votes, they need to talk more like him. The thing about democracy is that you can believe people are wrong, but you still have to take their views seriously if there are enough of them. And there are enough of them. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/406 "2015-07-13T03:19:24Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > And Christians. Don’t forget Christians. And men. Don’t forget men. And all of the other groups who claim to be victims of “the last acceptable bigotry.” There are a lot, which is weird. I guess they’re all tied for last. Yes, I’m sure that’s why certain progressives never use terms like “subhuman” or “inbred” to prefer to white working-class Southerners even as they denounce terms like “thugs” or “gangstas” applied to blacks. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/407 "2015-07-13T03:24:59Z")
Progressives have this weird conceit that they can attack ethnic and cultural groups if they are the groups with the advantages, and assume that enough of the more “enlightened” members of the groups will feel they deserve it and happily vote for them. That would explain why progressives today are in their weakest position since before WWII. Which brings into play their other conceit: that controlling the White House means they are “winning” somehow. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/408 "2015-07-13T05:13:38Z")
So, Obama didn’t win the White House, he just stubbornly refused to admit his total defeat? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/409 "2015-07-13T05:30:27Z")
There are thousands of offices in the country. THe Democrats won that one, but lost a pretty big majority of the rest. The Republicans almost control enough states to change the Constitution if they wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/410 "2015-07-13T06:21:04Z")
Ah! Explains their calm and easy-going, unruffled demeanor. Like Sheriff Andy Taylor after he kicked meth. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/411 "2015-07-13T06:24:20Z")
Since 2008, the Democratic party has lost “11 governorships, 13 U.S. Senate seats, 69 House seats, and 913 state legislative seats and 30 state legislative chambers.” Read more at: [The Corner | National Review](http://www.nationalreview.com/corner) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/412 "2015-07-13T06:40:28Z")
Its an opinion piece about executive power and treaty negotiations. And Rick Lowry? that’s what you got? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/413 "2015-07-13T07:41:42Z")
Just citing the numbers about how much Democrats have lost in the last eight years. Probably the most unsuccessful eight years a party has ever had, yet they think everything is peachy. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/414 "2015-07-13T08:29:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Just citing the numbers about how much Democrats have lost in the last eight years. Probably the most unsuccessful eight years a party has ever had, yet they think everything is peachy. That is not even remotely the case: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_House\_of\_Representatives\_elections,\_1928](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_1928) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/415 "2015-07-13T09:41:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I figured Webb’s message would piss off a lot of progressives, but if they want working class white votes, they need to talk more like him. The thing about democracy is that you can believe people are wrong, but you still have to take their views seriously if there are enough of them. And there are enough of them. I have trouble believing that there are any significantly huge amount of voters that are both amenable to apologia for Southern racism and to supporting a Democratic candidate – it would need to be large enough to swallow up the loss in turnout and votes from minorities and whites that aren’t okay with this crap, and I don’t think it’s even close. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/416 "2015-07-13T09:42:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Just citing the numbers about how much Democrats have lost in the last eight years. Probably the most unsuccessful eight years a party has ever had, yet they think everything is peachy. Unless you count Democratic accomplishments like health care, gay rights, environmental progress, etc… ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/417 "2015-07-13T10:49:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I have trouble believing that there are any significantly huge amount of voters that are both amenable to apologia for Southern racism and to supporting a Democratic candidate – it would need to be large enough to swallow up the loss in turnout and votes from minorities and whites that aren’t okay with this crap, and I don’t think it’s even close. I don’t think it’s accurate to call Webb an apologist for southern racism, anymore than it’s accurate to call Democrats hostile to white voters. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/418 "2015-07-13T10:52:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Unless you count Democratic accomplishments like health care, gay rights, environmental progress, etc… Health care- passed when Democrats won a historic victory. It was also the proximate cause of their losses. Gay rights- Democrats didn’t do much of anything but follow public opinion. They did not lead, they cowered, then acted like they were triumphant when the public gave them permission. This is what passes for courage to Democrats. Environmental progress- oh, did the Earth cool in the last seven years? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/419 "2015-07-13T11:13:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I don’t think it’s accurate to call Webb an apologist for southern racism, anymore than it’s accurate to call Democrats hostile to white voters. I wouldn’t have thought so too until he tried to minimize the symbolism of displaying the Confederate battle flag. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400/420 "2015-07-13T11:15:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Health care- passed when Democrats won a historic victory. It was also the proximate cause of their losses. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe that Republicans and the tea party would have been any less opposed to Obama had the ACA not happened. > [@](#): > > Gay rights- Democrats didn’t do much of anything but follow public opinion. They did not lead, they cowered, then acted like they were triumphant when the public gave them permission. This is what passes for courage to Democrats. It’s not courage – it’s just much, much better than the Republicans’ stance, and the accomplishments are partially due to Democratic support for gay rights (including the President’s late shift). > [@](#): > > Environmental progress- oh, did the Earth cool in the last seven years? Policy, obviously. Progress was made in environmental policy, even if much progress remains. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-democratic-candidates/710400.md?page=22)