# The 2016 Republican candidates **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2015, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444 "2015-01-09T22:38:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/521 "2015-02-03T18:13:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m sure it will cost him among wealthier voters, but it’ll only increase his working class cred. That’s a matchup I like against the pampered, out of touch Clinton. > > In any case, I don’t think Clinton will go there. Too risky, and she doesn’t do risk. But I’m sure it’ll be quite the attack point on discussion boards. Much like McCain’s poor showing at West Point. The only working class people who love ignorance aren’t ever going to vote for a Democrat. She would do well to inform the voters that her opponent, should it be Walker (which I highly doubt), only has a HS diploma. Such an “attack” could be crafted without being risky. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/522 "2015-02-03T18:16:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s a dumb question. But I’ll answer anyway. On the issues, she’s much closer to Schumer. In terms of political ‘style’, she’s unlike either. So she’s more liberal than your average Democrat, in your view. A lot of Democrats would disagree with that. > [@](#): > > There’s no “contrast” – we know that Hillary is a pretty mainstream Democrat, just like Bill. She’s a Clintonesque Democrat, not surprisingly. Then she’d be closer to Pryor. > [@](#): > > She’s a Clintonista. Her approval in the party is sky-high. I don’t know what world you’re posting from, but I’d love to visit some day. I’m well aware that she’s popular. Her only critics are in the Warren wing. And you managed to pretty much put her in both the Blue Dog and the progressive camp at the same time. One cannot be a Clinton Democrat and a Schumer Democrat. you’re making my argument for me. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/523 "2015-02-03T18:18:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The only working class people who love ignorance aren’t ever going to vote for a Democrat. She would do well to inform the voters that her opponent, should it be Walker (which I highly doubt), only has a HS diploma. Such an “attack” could be crafted without being risky. I like an education vs. experience fight. Walker: “I ran a state government. You ran what? A Senate office? Oh, how sweet.” Talking heads can also remind voters about the last time liberals put the “best and brightest” in charge of world affairs. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/524 "2015-02-03T18:19:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So she’s more liberal than your average Democrat, in your view. A lot of Democrats would disagree with that. > > Then she’d be closer to Pryor. No, she’s right in the middle. Schumer is center-left (within the party), and Pryor is rather far-right (within the party). > [@](#): > > I’m well aware that she’s popular. Her only critics are in the Warren wing. And you managed to pretty much put her in both the Blue Dog and the progressive camp at the same time. One cannot be a Clinton Democrat and a Schumer Democrat. you’re making my argument for me. Clinton Democrats are just “Democrats”. She has barely any critics within the Democratic party. She’s not a Schumer Democrat – she’s a Clinton Democrat (or just a Democrat). She’s certainly not a Blue Dog. Your analysis is way, way off. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/525 "2015-02-03T18:21:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I like an education vs. experience fight. Walker: “I ran a state government. You ran what? A Senate office? Oh, how sweet.” “You ran a state very badly. I ran the State Department very well.” No way Hillary loses anything on “experience”. Your obsession with governors is not borne out by facts, nor is your obsession with experience overall. Looking at all the presidents, there’s no correlation between governorships/experience and performance. > [@](#): > > Talking heads can also remind voters about the last time liberals put the “best and brightest” in charge of world affairs. Yep – way, way fewer dead Americans, and way, way less money spent on blowing things up far away from home. One more dead 9/11 mastermind. Long term continuous growth. Health care reform. Immigration reform (albeit through exec action). Etc. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/526 "2015-02-03T18:22:02Z")
Well, shit. I thought this was the thread about **Republican** candidates for President. Maybe someone should ask the mod for a title correction? Or maybe you guys could take the Hillary talk to the appropriate thread. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/527 "2015-02-03T18:22:48Z")
Um, Clinton helped found the DLC. That’s the right-wing of the party. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/528 "2015-02-03T18:24:23Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Well, shit. I thought this was the thread about **Republican** candidates for President. Maybe someone should ask the mod for a title correction? > > Or maybe you guys could take the Hillary talk to the appropriate thread. We are discussing matchups with the likely Democratic candidate. The Republicans will all have an advantage in that they will clearly stand for something, while the Democrat, as is often the case, will not take firm stands on anything. This will be defended vociferously before the election, and attacked mercilessly after the election, by the very same people. And it will happen even though it’s happened a dozen times before, as recently as 2014. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/529 "2015-02-03T18:24:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Doesn’t bother me at all. Experience is more important than education. If he was running for President without having been governor, then it would be important. According to your theory that gubernatorial experience is all important, then these 20th and 21st century presidents had good experience: McKinley, T. Roosevelt, Wilson, Coolidge, F. Roosevelt, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, George W. Bush And these modern presidents lacked experience: Taft, Harding, Hoover, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, George HW Bush, Obama Somehow the republic managed to survive from the day FDR died to the day before Carter was sworn in (1945-1977) without having a former governor as president. Call be crazy, but I think Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson were better presidents than Coolidge, Reagan, and George W. Bush. And I think George HW Bush was a better president than George W. Bush. As Adam and Jamie would say, myth busted! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/530 "2015-02-03T18:25:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Um, Clinton helped found the DLC. That’s the right-wing of the party. The DLC doesn’t exist anymore. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/531 "2015-02-03T18:27:15Z")
Dodging again. YOu don’t actually know what she stands for, do you?🙂 However, you do know very well how she will market herself, so that’s something. Anyway, we are again discussing matchups. The only reason you’re even in this thread is to trash the Republicans’ chances to win the election. If you don’t want to talk about Clinton, then don’t talk about the general election. Stick to the Republican nomination contest while somehow not discussing electability. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/532 "2015-02-03T18:33:49Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Dodging again. YOu don’t actually know what she stands for, do you?🙂 She doesn’t stand for defunct political organizations. In my view, she stands for mainstream Democratic priorities like women’s rights, health care, gay rights, a robust safety net, better education, trust in science, environmental stewardship, strong national defense, and a more hawkish view on fighting terrorism than I’d like (though, from what I understand, she’s been very good on Iran). I’m sure you’ll dismiss this. If you haven’t recognized by now that you’re _absolutely terrible_ at reading the minds of Democratic supporters, then you probably never will. I’ve told you this before, but just stop trying to imagine that you know what Democrats think – you’re just inevitably going to be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/533 "2015-02-03T19:03:22Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I like an education vs. experience fight. Walker: "I ran a state government. In his case, that is not something to which he should want to call attention. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/534 "2015-02-03T19:04:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The Republicans will all have an advantage in that they will clearly stand for something, while the Democrat, as is often the case, will not take firm stands on anything. [shrug] Worked just fine for Carter in '76. ---
**Author:** ![CGav8r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@CGav8r](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CGav8r)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/535 "2015-02-03T20:49:55Z")
So glad that the right shone a bright light on Benghazi!! numerous times and came up empty…Americans have Benghazi!! fatigue, now so it should be met with yawns when mentioned. And Hillary comes from the main stream of the Dem party…doesn’t really matter where she is on the political spectrum, Dems will vote for her, as will some women that are swing voters. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/536 "2015-02-03T20:56:52Z")
Wait, did I stumble into the wrong thread? A lot of talk here about Hillary, but it says up top that this is the thread about the 2016 _Republican_ candidates. Guess **adaher** wishes his party had a potential candidate as good as Hillary. Sorry, guy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/537 "2015-02-03T21:04:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Dodging again. YOu don’t actually know what she stands for, do you?🙂 I really don’t think it’s a mystery. She’ll be like Obama, Bill Clinton, Chuck Schumer and Elizabeth Warren. The issues that unite Democrats are much more numerous than the distinctions between them. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/538 "2015-02-03T21:05:50Z")
What’s interesting is that where she has put herself out there, it’s been well to the right of the Democratic mainstream. She might actually end up to the right of the GOP nominee on issues like corporate welfare and national security. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/539 "2015-02-03T21:07:05Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You must be very young, and those people don’t vote. Depending on your definition of “very,” that’s not so: [http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83510.html](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83510.html) > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Does it bother anyone else that Scott Walker doesn’t have a a college degree? I’m not an education elitist or anything, but I don’t think a BA is too much to ask from a presidential candidate. I guess it bothers me a little. The Presidency is now far more complex than the office that relatively uneducated men like Washington and Lincoln held. All things being equal, I’d want a candidate with at least a bachelor’s. But if I loved him or her for experience, maturity, policy views, political skills etc., I could accept the lack of such a degree. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/540 "2015-02-03T21:10:49Z")
I don’t have an issue with people expecting a degree, as long as they also expect experience. People don’t become CEOs out of college(unless they found the company themselves), but people without degrees can rise to become CEOs. Experience\> education. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444.md?page=28)