# The 2016 Republican candidates **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2015, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444 "2015-01-09T22:38:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1102 "2015-03-22T17:50:16Z")
(insert standard joke about the Bush Presidential Library here) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1103 "2015-03-22T18:01:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > (insert standard joke about the Bush Presidential Library here) Did they buy another coloring book? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1104 "2015-03-22T19:09:42Z")
Ted Cruz will be running? Joe McCarthy lookalike comparisons in five, four, three, two… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1105 "2015-03-22T22:19:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > As for why he commands support, think about why Alan Grayson commands support and you get the idea. What Alan Grayson deposits in his toilet has more intelligence and integrity than Cruz. Sure, he’s a bit on the brutally honest side, but what he says is true whereas Cruz lies as comfortably as his intellectual equal, Sarah Palin. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1106 "2015-03-23T00:02:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You’re right. His rhetoric on that issue is just rhetoric. May I ask WTF you’re referring to? _What_ rhetoric of Obama’s is just rhetoric? > [@](#): > > We do need to figure this issue out though. Most of us already have; eventually even the Party of Discrimination will get a clue. > [@](#): > > I think that a publicly owned corporation should have to serve everyone. I think that a business that is privately held should have to serve everyone. However, I think that individuals who sell their personal services should have a choice. If lawyers can pick and choose their cases, then wedding planners should be able to pick and choose whose weddings they’ll do. No, once you enter the world of commerce and filthy lucre, everyone’s filthy lucre has to be as good as everyone else’s. If they can pay, you can turn them down on the basis of inappropriate behavior or dress for your place of business, and that’s about it. If you’re a masseur (to use a personal-services example), you don’t get to refuse black customers or gay customers. You get to tell someone to get lost if they ask you for a handjob. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1107 "2015-03-23T01:51:21Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > No, once you enter the world of commerce and filthy lucre, everyone’s filthy lucre has to be as good as everyone else’s. If they can pay, you can turn them down on the basis of inappropriate behavior or dress for your place of business, and that’s about it. If you’re a masseur (to use a personal-services example), you don’t get to refuse black customers or gay customers. You get to tell someone to get lost if they ask you for a handjob. And attorneys cannot discriminate. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1108 "2015-03-23T02:40:39Z")
Wait a minute, attorneys get like $200/hr for a handjob? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1109 "2015-03-23T04:25:30Z")
Mark Everson, former IRS commissioner, is in: > **[Mark Everson](https://www.facebook.com/MarkForAmerica/)** > > Mark Everson. 1,638 likes · 2 talking about this. Former IRS Commissioner Mark Everson sought the 2016 GOP Presidential nomination in 2015. However, he remains committed to continuing the conversation. He’s definitely different. He’s Warren-like about the big banks and wants to reinstitute the draft. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1110 "2015-03-23T04:31:13Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > No, once you enter the world of commerce and filthy lucre, everyone’s filthy lucre has to be as good as everyone else’s. If they can pay, you can turn them down on the basis of inappropriate behavior or dress for your place of business, and that’s about it. If you’re a masseur (to use a personal-services example), you don’t get to refuse black customers or gay customers. You get to tell someone to get lost if they ask you for a handjob. Since we all have to enter the world of filthy lucre, that means none of us have freedom of religion, according to your argument. Plus you’re just plain wrong on the idea that individuals can’t pick and choose who they’ll work for. The Civil Rights Act only applies to public accomodations, not individuals providing services. If you own a “public accomodation”, you have to serve everyone who enters. If you offer services for money though, you get to refuse any client you choose unless state law specifies otherwise. And even there, the problem is that some people have been dumb enough to say they won’t take the job because a person is gay. Believe it or not, you are allowed to refuse to take employment if your boss is gay. And you can even say that’s why you refused to work for him! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1111 "2015-03-23T04:42:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s already taken the legal steps to forswear his \*Canadian \*heritage, including his dual citizenship, so maybe Cuba will follow. He’s no longer one of ours, as discussed in an earlier thread: [Ted Cruz abandons his Canadian political ambitions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=730957) > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The small issue of his parents having left before La Revolucion will be swept aside by those who will point to his heritage in an attempt to show his party actually does value diversity, not to his immigration demagoguery. His mother wasn’t Cuban. She was born an American, in Wilmington, Delaware. That’s how Cruz is an American: he was born in Canada, but his mother was native born American so he automatically was American from birth. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1112 "2015-03-23T05:37:11Z")
Just came across a 50 page opinion from the Congressional Research Service on the whole issue of presidential citizenship, which some might find interesting: [Qualifications for President and the “Natural Born” Citizenship Eligibility Requirement](http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1113 "2015-03-23T11:46:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > CNN polled voters on what they want from a 2016 candidate: > > [http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/22/politics/2016-election-poll-perfect-candidate/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/22/politics/2016-election-poll-perfect-candidate/index.html) I thought this thread was about _Republican_ candidates. Anyhow, this is rather like the polls on Obamacare- they tell the pollsters they hate it but are in favor of every one of its provisions when asked about them individually. They may tell the pollsters they want a change from the current administration, until that alternative is forced to take shape. Lesson Number One for the Cruz campaign- [secure your domain name.](http://www.tedcruz.com/) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1114 "2015-03-23T12:05:33Z")
Voters are in favor of the individual mandate, having to get new insurance when they liked their old insurance, Medicare Advantage cuts, and higher taxes? Who knew? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1115 "2015-03-23T15:40:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Since we all have to enter the world of filthy lucre, that means none of us have freedom of religion, according to your argument. Sure you do. You can pray in any church you like, or none at all. You just don’t get to discriminate against people based on which version of The Great Fairytale you genuflect to. Welcome to America. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1116 "2015-03-23T15:56:52Z")
Can we keep this thread on the 2016 GOP candidates, please? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1117 "2015-03-23T20:02:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wait a minute, attorneys get like $200/hr for a handjob? Law school is a lot more interesting than most people think it is. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1118 "2015-03-23T21:58:28Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Sure you do. You can pray in any church you like, or none at all. You just don’t get to discriminate against people based on which version of The Great Fairytale you genuflect to. > > Welcome to America. That’s freedom of worship, not freedom of religion. Religion isn’t going to church, it’s how you live your life. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1119 "2015-03-24T03:34:11Z")
[The New Orleans _Times-Picayune_ has called for Bobby Jindal to resign.](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/03/23/times-picayune-column-calls-for-bobby-jindals-resignation/) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1120 "2015-03-24T10:43:18Z")
Jindal is a useless twat who I wouldn’t put in charge of a pretzel stand, but I laughed at this tidbit from the article: > [@](#): > > Noam Chomsky, national treasure and philosophers’ icon Oh, Addicting Info - don’t ever stop being so irredeemably lefty. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1121 "2015-03-24T10:50:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Voters are in favor of the individual mandate, having to get new insurance when they liked their old insurance, Medicare Advantage cuts, and higher taxes? Who knew? Voters are in favor of people not dying due to lack of affordable insurance, a reduced rate of medical cost inflation, and lower or stable taxes. > [@](#): > > Religion isn’t going to church, it’s how you live your life. But your freedom cannot impinge upon mine. Remember the quote about how your freedom to swing your fist ends at the end of my nose (Oliver Wendell Holmes, wasn’t it)? Your argument is that your freedom to swing your fist INCLUDES the right to punch me in the nose. Discrimination is a harm, just as a punch in the nose is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444.md?page=57)